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Which Domino will fall next?

Which regime is next?

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ludahai said:
Still don't know the winner yet, but Libya seems to be in the lead (not only in the poll, but also on the ground)
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Wait a second here... the countries that are revolting are suddenly 'winners'??? I mean, in all these recent middle east revolutions, what has truly come of them???

Well, Egypt is now under martial law... Tunisia had like 3 new leaders within a 48 hour period... and we seem to agree that this WILL spread throughout the entirety of the middle east?

Now, let's look at the implications of this :
- Turmoil in the middle east puts the oil supplies at risk, more risk is going to push oil prices higher...
- Once oil prices go up then you're going to add inflation, since oil price affects the price of EVERYTHING... ON TOP of 'quantitative easing' or whatever name is given to currency inflation IN a DEPRESSED economy.
- So, this will AT THE LEAST put a halt on any end to the "recession"

I think the BETTER question is : How many of these countries will see revolutions BEFORE the results of this instability CAUSES the same type of revolt in America??

I'm not going to try and defend any of these middle eastern regimes because they are all run by tyrants in the first place, but I will say that it's definitely unwise to in any way 'cheer' this on.

The democratic movements in north africa and the middle east ARE legitimate movements, but they have YET to bring about anything approaching a 'democratic republic'. Time will tell if I'm wrong, but so far, behind the scenes of these protests, there's been evidence of there being military coups. I mean, Mubarak defiantly got up and said he was not going to step down, and 24 hours later he signed away his power.
 
Libya, then Yemen, and it'd likely stop there.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Wait a second here... the countries that are revolting are suddenly 'winners'??? I mean, in all these recent middle east revolutions, what has truly come of them???

Well, Egypt is now under martial law... Tunisia had like 3 new leaders within a 48 hour period... and we seem to agree that this WILL spread throughout the entirety of the middle east?
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Democracy can't just happen overnight. What did you expect...elections the day after Ben Ali and Mubarak left office? Although it could still change, both Tunisia and Egypt seem to show every indication of holding free and fair elections, and standing by the results. I'm not sure what else you can really ask for at this point.

BmanMcfly said:
Now, let's look at the implications of this :
- Turmoil in the middle east puts the oil supplies at risk, more risk is going to push oil prices higher...
- Once oil prices go up then you're going to add inflation, since oil price affects the price of EVERYTHING... ON TOP of 'quantitative easing' or whatever name is given to currency inflation IN a DEPRESSED economy.
- So, this will AT THE LEAST put a halt on any end to the "recession"
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This is a perfect example of the "spoiled, arrogant American" attitude that the entire Arab world hates about us. Yeah, it probably WILL cause oil prices to go higher. And it might very well cause another recession if the prices go too high. You know what? Democracy and human rights just might be a little more important than your cheap gasoline.

BmanMcfly said:
The democratic movements in north africa and the middle east ARE legitimate movements, but they have YET to bring about anything approaching a 'democratic republic'. Time will tell if I'm wrong, but so far, behind the scenes of these protests, there's been evidence of there being military coups. I mean, Mubarak defiantly got up and said he was not going to step down, and 24 hours later he signed away his power.
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Of course Egypt had a military coup. What was the alternative? Let Mubarak's political cronies handle the transition to democracy? Who did you have in mind?
 
Kandahar said:
Democracy can't just happen overnight. What did you expect...elections the day after Ben Ali and Mubarak left office? Although it could still change, both Tunisia and Egypt seem to show every indication of holding free and fair elections, and standing by the results. I'm not sure what else you can really ask for at this point.



This is a perfect example of the "spoiled, arrogant American" attitude that the entire Arab world hates about us. Yeah, it probably WILL cause oil prices to go higher. And it might very well cause another recession if the prices go too high. You know what? Democracy and human rights just might be a little more important than your cheap gasoline.



Of course Egypt had a military coup. What was the alternative? Let Mubarak's political cronies handle the transition to democracy? Who did you have in mind?
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Though we often disagree on many issues, I am in complete agreement with this post... :bravo:
 
Kandahar said:
Democracy can't just happen overnight. What did you expect...elections the day after Ben Ali and Mubarak left office? Although it could still change, both Tunisia and Egypt seem to show every indication of holding free and fair elections, and standing by the results. I'm not sure what else you can really ask for at this point.
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No, that's not what I expected... but my point is more that the middle east does NOT have a tradition of free-republics... they have a tradition of tyrannical dictators that eventually grow abusive and are eventually removed.... so, my point is that I wouldn't be so quick to applaud these 'google powered' revolutions.

This is a perfect example of the "spoiled, arrogant American" attitude that the entire Arab world hates about us.
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Um, I think that has a BIT MORE to do with how our military is constantly out killing them, the intelligence agencies continuously sparking revolutions throughout the regions (this latest incarnation reportedly admitted to have google execs involved in pushing these people over the edge towards revolution)... no, I"m not trying to discount just how much the middle east has good reason to hate us...

Yeah, it probably WILL cause oil prices to go higher.
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175-250$ / barrel within the year.

And it might very well cause another recession if the prices go too high.
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No, it will take this 'recession' and make it a FULL DEPRESSION where it can no longer be denied.... and within a year to two the result will be the dissolution of the american dollar as a 'world reserve' and it will fall closer in line to that of a peso.

You know what? Democracy and human rights just might be a little more important than your cheap gasoline.
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Ya, and I will be HAPPY if these revolutions ACTUALLY build into a more democratic middle east... but it ALSO does NOT help the middle east to continue selling oil in US dollars when it will CAUSE the US dollar to finally fail (in concert with heavy currency inflation through printing money mercilessly)... so, all that oil they are selling gets them all the paper money, and when the dollar collapses the middle east will be stuck holding the bag of US currency not worth the paper it's printed on...

You think we got a pissed off middle east NOW/?? Just WAIT until they are forced back into the society of 100 years ago, riding camels and goat herding... and JUST WAIT until you see the kind of anger targeting the western world as it comes out just how involved US interests have been in all their successful revolutions.

Of course Egypt had a military coup. What was the alternative? Let Mubarak's political cronies handle the transition to democracy? Who did you have in mind?
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Military coup != democratic revolution
I'm just calling it what it is.
 
ludahai said:
Have there been any demonstrations there aimed at toppling the government? Besides, unlike the others, it is a genuine democracy... despite the hatred so many in Europe seem to have for it...
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Almost every contemporary democracy index lists it as a flawed democracy, more akin to the Russian verson of democracy than the French.
 
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