Its a shame the majority won out and banned smoking in public places, bars and restaraunts.
The government's insatiable thirst for governing behavior continues...
Agree. I wouldn't vote to support a ban but ironically, I enjoy the ban. Now I can visit a tavern after work or whatever without having to get my jacket to a dry cleaner ASAFP afterwards.
In terms of the results, I do like going into bars without smoke. I don't smoke and I don't like the way it smells or clings to my cloths. It was inconvenient. But I don't think, still do not think, that I can press my inconvenience upon the rights of others to force them into my way. The ends do not always justify the means.
No, this was a case of doing what the majority desired.
No, this was a case of doing what the majority desired.
You can hang your hat on "majority rule" on this one specific issue but the government has big time dollars invested in harassing cigarette smokers.
Is there anything other than this insult to your post? No, just making a worthless statement aimed at insulting people instead of contributing to the debate? Yes? Thought so.
Grow up, come back when you wish to engage in debate as an adult.
Which part of my post is factually incorrect?
As I said, I'd rather die young and free than old and enslaved.
the boast of someone who has done neither.
I ask you again, which part of my post was factually incorrect?
Do you really harbor the belief that you can attack me with vitriolic bitterness and I am not going to call you out on it? The point is one of truth. You made a boast and I said you had done neither. You were making a foolhardy statement designed to show how daring you are.
So I ask again = when you boasted about wanting to die young and free instead old and enslaved and I said you had done neither, which part was factually incorrect?
Not only that, but the majority should not always rule. They can rule so long as they remain within the rights and liberties of the minority. But once they cross that line, they should no longer be given what they want. It's a good example of why pure democracy is a bad idea.
You did so through insult. Nothing I said was factually incorrect. Maybe when you point that out from my post, I'll return the favor. Until then, don't think that you can act smarmy and insulting to people and expect that they act decently to you.
Is smoking a right?
Is jerking off in public a right?
You have done neither. Get over your proud self for heavens sake. You wanted to show how BADDD you are and what a freedom loving libertarian crusader you are so your used some over the top hyperbole which ends up meaning nothing.
The thing that really gets you is that I despise libertarianism and you take that the way a religious zealot takes somebody spitting on their icons. You react with the fervor and passion of a True Believer.
So what was I wrong about?
Did you did young and free?
Have you lived old and enslaved?
Depends on how you want to define harm. Walking by someone outside who is smoking doesn't do much to your overall probabilities of life and death. So there's really no harm there. If you spend considerable time inside a smoky building, then perhaps. But that is private property, and the property owner can set the rules. As it stands, smoking is a legal activity and there is nothing wrong with a property owner allowing legal activities to take place on their property. If you don't like the sort of legal activities which go on in some establishment, you are more than free to not go into said establishment. Hence you are not harm. Harm only comes when YOU make the conscientious decision to frequent the place. And in which case, that was your choice and your consequences.
Very well said. Wish more people would realize this.
Some people really do not like choice. They wish to shut it down where ever others make choices they would not make. It's a bit scary that some think this is ok. But that's the world we live in. There are always people who believe themselves so righteous in their opinion that they would infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual in order to get their way. A bit sick if you ask me.
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
It is really hard to find any sympathy for a grown adult crying about not being able to smoke a handful of leaves in their mouths.
You want to chew, fine.
You want to try the new electronic smokeless cigs, fine.
You need a fix, then go back to your car and suck a big one. It isn't the end of the world.
Whose the biggest whiner? The ones that state an obvious truth? Or the one that tries to get a legal act banned just because they don't like it?
I knew you be coming around so I save a big wheel of cheese just for you my friend.
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
It is really hard to find any sympathy for a grown adult crying about not being able to smoke a handful of leaves in their mouths.
You want to chew, fine.
You want to try the new electronic smokeless cigs, fine.
You need a fix, then go back to your car and suck a big one. It isn't the end of the world.
I like cheese. Keep the wine though. I don't drink. Interesting how you didn't actually answer the question put to you though.....