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New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

What of the New Ban.

  • Good

    Votes: 19 27.1%

  • Too far

    Votes: 49 70.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Total voters
    70
Crosscheck said:
How about we keep porn legal for adults but ban people from displaying it on public beaches where families are?

Or can't you go two hours on the beach without your porn?
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No.

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Crosscheck said:
:)

Its fun to throw ridiculous crap at ridiculous crap suggestions by some. Glad you enjoyed it.
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It's also fun to see people defend and justify their smoking. Especially the ones in denial.
 
TheBook said:
Of course smoking is bad for you and dangerous for your health.

Second-Hand smoke is also bad for you.

But so is what comes out of the tailpipe of a car. Are those banned?

As long as someone isn't blowing smoke in my face, let them have their vices.
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My kind of poster an individualist, my com-liments sir.

If you ever want to be a complete nonconformist let me know. lol,lol
 
Crosscheck said:
How about we keep porn legal for adults but ban people from displaying it on public beaches where families are?

Or can't you go two hours on the beach without your porn?
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Fine by me, I never cared much for having sex in public anyway.
That's why they made bedrooms, cheap hotel rooms and backseat of cars. lol
 
Jerry said:
It's about what the government can make or save money on, not whether something harms the citizenry or not.
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Seems like they're doing pretty good on the smokers that buy cigarettes and tobacco products.

Question; if everybody in America quit smoking how much tax revenue would be lost and how would it be replaced?
 
Hatuey said:
Your individual freedom to litter on public property? Lol.
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Are you speaking of words or paper?

After all this is public property,and since plastic is piling up in garbage one would ask how many chewing gum wrappers and bottled water bottles find themself on the streets.
 
presluc said:
Are you speaking of words or paper?

After all this is public property,and since plastic is piling up in garbage one would ask how many chewing gum wrappers and bottled water bottles find themself on the streets.
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What about gum wrappers and water bottles? You get fined for littering. This implies there is a ban on their improper disposal. What are we discussing?
 
presluc said:
Are you speaking of words or paper?

After all this is public property,and since plastic is piling up in garbage one would ask how many chewing gum wrappers and bottled water bottles find themself on the streets.
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In my experience, a far smaller number than of cigarette butts...
 
presluc said:
Seems like they're doing pretty good on the smokers that buy cigarettes and tobacco products.

Question; if everybody in America quit smoking how much tax revenue would be lost and how would it be replaced?
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They'd start taxing alcohol more. In the area that I live in alcohol has had its tax raised 1 time in the last 20 years. Of course after they end up taxing alcohol to death like they are tobacco then they will be in trouble. But that isn't for many years into the future yet...and it's impossible for them to think that far ahead.
 
ludahai said:
In my experience, a far smaller number than of cigarette butts...
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With the type of cigarettes that I smoke how much do you want to bet that my cigarettes will decompose a hell of a lot quicker than those plastic products?
 
Kal'Stang said:
With the type of cigarettes that I smoke how much do you want to bet that my cigarettes will decompose a hell of a lot quicker than those plastic products?
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It is all garbage, and if you are smoking in the presence of non-smokers, you are also adding cancer-causing air pollution to the mix...
 
Hatuey said:
What about gum wrappers and water bottles? You get fined for littering. This implies there is a ban on their improper disposal. What are we discussing?
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I might ask you the same.
In post 407 it was you that bought up litter on a no smoking ban thread.
I try to answer all threads addressed to me with the subject they discuss.
If I recall correctly yours was "Your individual freedom to litter on public property".
Your words are the not?
 
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ludahai said:
In my experience, a far smaller number than of cigarette butts...
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Although I'm not a scientist nor an intellectual, but I would guess that eventualy a cigarette butt would eventualt deteriate, and dissolve.
Can the same be said of plastic containers?
 
Kal'Stang said:
They'd start taxing alcohol more. In the area that I live in alcohol has had its tax raised 1 time in the last 20 years. Of course after they end up taxing alcohol to death like they are tobacco then they will be in trouble. But that isn't for many years into the future yet...and it's impossible for them to think that far ahead.
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I don't know about being that far into the future.

Care to calculate how much state and federal tax has been lost so far because of what I like to call "the great smoking scare".

In the 50's cigarettes were called cofin nails, some time in the early 60's they were called grave tickets that didn't catch on.

Some paper pusher in the AMA got an idea that cigarettes were bad for you.
And presto, the American people were told what they already knew, just with a bit more hype.:cool:
 
ludahai said:
It is all garbage, and if you are smoking in the presence of non-smokers, you are also adding cancer-causing air pollution to the mix...
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Uh excuse me, but I've heard this second hand smoke crap before.
I offer you the same challenge I have offered others.
Produce a death certificate that says cause of death second hand smoke.
The AMA. had no such certificate on file..
Perhaps you have.
 
presluc said:
Although I'm not a scientist nor an intellectual, but I would guess that eventualy a cigarette butt would eventualt deteriate, and dissolve.
Can the same be said of plastic containers?
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Dog feces will deteriorate faster than cigarette butts too but I don't care to sit on a beach filled with it.

One can debate about the health risks of smoking, 2nd hand smoking, and someone'a uncle who lived to 96 smoking Marlboro but for me I simply don't care.

I just hate the smell of cig smoke. And someone will bring up about people wearing perfume and yes that is annoying but perfume does not permeate the size of an area as a cig will.

For decades the non-smokers had to deal with smokers everywhere. Now the table has turned. Deal with it.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Dog feces will deteriorate faster than cigarette butts too but I don't care to sit on a beach filled with it.

One can debate about the health risks of smoking, 2nd hand smoking, and someone'a uncle who lived to 96 smoking Marlboro but for me I simply don't care.

I just hate the smell of cig smoke. And someone will bring up about people wearing perfume and yes that is annoying but perfume does not permeate the size of an area as a cig will.

For decades the non-smokers had to deal with smokers everywhere. Now the table has turned. Deal with it.
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IE you care only for your rights and no one elses. Duly noted.
 
Crosscheck said:
Yeah, I am kind of like a smoker,,,funny huh.
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Apparently not. I am fighting for a right. You are fighting to take away a right just because you "hate the smell". What makes you hypocritical in this also is that you admit that while perfume smell may get annoying also you are willing to let it slide.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You are fighting to take away a right just because you "hate the smell"
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yes, I also would fight the building of a rendering plant next to a public beach. What is wrong with that?

Why aren't you fighting the airlines, surely that has you angry. Then you can fight the hospitals. Then public schools. Then restaurants. then..............
 
Crosscheck said:
yes, I also would fight the building of a rendering plant next to a public beach. What is wrong with that?
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Just because of the smell? Doubtful.

Crosscheck said:
Why aren't you fighting the airlines, surely that has you angry.
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Why would I fight the airlines?

Crosscheck said:
Then you can fight the hospitals. Then public schools. Then restaurants. then..............
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You obviously have a bone to pick with all of them...and all because of the "smell"? Picky are we? If I were to fight anything it sure as hell wouldn't be because of the "smell".
 
I'm curious. Why does a smoker's right to smoke trump the right of a non-smoker to not smoke? A person should, ideally, have the right to breathe in whatever chemicals they want. But anyone who has ever spent time near a smoker knows that the excretions from cigarettes get out into the air, that said non-smoker must then breathe. You can argue about how much or how little smoke is in the air, or about how quickly it dissipates, but there is still some there. Doesn't every bystander have the right to NOT breathe these chemicals, just as a smoker has the right to breathe them?

As a lifelong inhaler of other people's smoke, both from family and friends, I really do hate it. I would love if every cigarette was smoked far far away from me. However, I know that my preferences are not universal, and that life cannot always be comfortable. But I do support this ban. Public spaces should be held to a higher standard. Just as littering the ground is against the law, so too should littering the air. On the flip side, New York bans smoking in privately owned businesses, like restaurants and bars. And that is a completely different beast. Those businesses should have the ability to choose for themselves how they want to operate.

In summation, this ban is good. The already existing one is not.
 
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