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New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

What of the New Ban.

  • Good

    Votes: 19 27.1%
  • Too far

    Votes: 49 70.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    70
Because you want to be laughed at?

I said think about.

I realize that most child services offices are overwhelmed with work to deal with every little instance of abuse. Especially long term abuse like smoking.
 
So you classify smoking as a bad habit.
When one thinks of all possible bad habits I think smoking must be at the top that affects other people around it. Of course I guess one person's bad habit is another person's enjoyable hobby.

This may be comparing apples to oranges but smoking has many attributes as abortion. I don't care for either one but who am I to tell someone else what to do with their bodies. Both of these activities have ardent supporters and ardent opposition foes.
But I think most would agree we would all be better without either of these activities, it is how we achieve this that divide us.

You are gonna compare smokers rights to a womans right? And no I do not think we would all be better off without abortions or smoking.

I do think the world would be better off without people trying to tell others what to do with their own bodies and am shocked that you went there. Mind your own biz.
 
But the act of smoking doen't create litter ... throwing the cigarette butt on the ground does. You're saying people should be fined for having the opportunity to litter? For looking like they might litter? That's a ridiculous standard for law, don't you think? Should all people wearing ski masks be charged with bank robbery?

As for Disneyland ... are they in the habit of fining or citing guests who bring their own gum?

The act of smoking puts a known carcinogen in the air for those around them to breath. I am completely supportive of the efforts of local and state governments (NOT FEDERAL) to handle this as they see fit. I have absolutely no sympathy for people who smoke those cancer sticks as they rarely show no sympathy for those whom they smoke around...
 
I feel this is a very unfair post that demonizes smokers simply because they smoke. To say that smokers are filthy and do not give a damn about others is very unfair.

Sure, it demonizes smokers FAIRLY. The vast majority of smokers are disgusting creatures who have little regard for the rights of the MAJORITY of people around them who do not light up cancer sticks...
 
Smokers will likely NOT outlive me.

Heavy drinkers will likely NOT outlive.

Social drinkers may (according to a recent study) outlive me.

These are facts.



It's not about hate. It's about pity. I see them in the airports, in their little glass house, and I feel sorry for their families.

Their children will have to spend more time caring for them than is normal.




I fart when I eat too many vitamins.

Fact: you cannot know nor predict who may outlive you and instead of worrying about others and being all up in their biz? I wish to suggest you mind your own. Life is too damn shirt to be sitting around thinking about who may or may not outlive you.

Get a damn hobby or something. Pity? I feel pity for anybody that I have to suggest to get a hobby rather than worrying if some smoker or drinker will outlive them. That must be a sad life to live.

Will Midnight poker players die before you? Will folks that wear yellow two days a week die before you? Will people that watch NBC over ABC die before you? Will people that take mustard over mayo die beore you? Get where I am going with this? You do not know!

I suggest you start enjoying your life more and spend less time worrying about the evil smokers that you are so sure you will outlive. Trust me on this: you may drop dead reading this. So stop acting as if smokers will die before you.

BTW, save your pity for yourself or others that really need it.. Smokers don't;)
 
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I'm afraid I'm coming off a little bristly here. Sorry. I just recently quit smoking -- again -- and this stuff still drives me crazy. Most smokers are courteous people who are happy to accommodate nonsmokers' reasonable requests. But you start to feel like a second-class citizen after awhile.

I hope you can keep off the weed this time. I am delighted every time a person realizes how destructive that weed is and is successful in giving it up. However, I disagree with you about smokers being curteous. If they were courteous, they would not light up in the presense of non-smokers (especially children) in the first place...

There used to be a billboard in my town with a picture of a teen lighting a cigarette with the text: "Welcome to LOSERVILLE, Population: You!" I didn't appreciate being called a loser every day on my morning commute. I started smoking when I was 13, and I eventually quit for health reasons, but it took me years of trying (and of course, years of paying ridiculously high sin taxes). I helped fund stadiums. I helped fund the arts. I helped fill the state budget gap with my smoking habit. Yet I'm forbidden from lighting up in the statehouse my longtime habit subsidizes.

Well, sorry, but smokers ARE losers... and in no way should you be allowed to smoke in ANY public building, EVER!!!

People have all kinds of bad habits, but I don't see any billboards shouting: "PUT DOWN THE DONUT, FATTY!" Smokers have been mistreated by the tobacco industry. They've been mistreated by local and state governments. They've even been mistreated by billboards and public service messages. And at they end of all, they get to die young. Don't add insult to injury.

Oh, I would support it... though not everyone who eats donuts is fat... I eat the occasional Dunkin Donut and I guarantee you I am fitter than 99% of the people on this board... However, I have long been critical of people who engage in gluttenous lifestyles...
 
Smokers may outlive you too. You are hating on a group of people for no other reason than you dislike thier habit. I am sure you have bad habits too.

I am hating on them because so many of them force that bad habit on the rest of us by smoking in public spaces... not to mention what they do to their children smoking in their homes and cars...
 
You are gonna compare smokers rights to a womans right? And no I do not think we would all be better off without abortions or smoking.

A woman's right to commit murder? As much as I hate smoking, murdering an unborn child is far worse.

I do think the world would be better off without people trying to tell others what to do with their own bodies and am shocked that you went there. Mind your own biz.

Just don't violate the rights of others, whether it be the non-smoker around you or the unborn child that deserves a chance at life...
 
Neither are known carcinogens...

Perfume can be deadly to someone with Asthma. And yes it can send someone into a deadly asthma attack if someone is wearing too much perfume.
 
Perfume can be deadly to someone with Asthma. And yes it can send someone into a deadly asthma attack if someone is wearing too much perfume.

Oh, the dreaded perfume argument again... Tobacco smoke is a known carcinogen to EVERYONE who breathes it... sorry, not sympathetic at all... not one little iota,,,
 
I am hating on them because so many of them force that bad habit on the rest of us by smoking in public spaces... not to mention what they do to their children smoking in their homes and cars...

Keyword here is public and you sound bitter.

Are you of the mind that smokers should not be allowed to smoke inside their own homes or cars?

What is next? Police being able to burst into your home cause you are stuffing your face with unhealthy foods, spraying yourself with crap that can cause cancer and stinks? Where does it end? Or are you fine with all of this?
 
No, because forcing children to be subjected to cigarette smoke by parents is child abuse...

Parents feed their children crap daily as they feed em what they can afford do you also consider that child abuse? Are you ready to be policed like this? Be careful what you wish for Cig Nazi!
 
If they were courteous, they would not light up in the presense of non-smokers (especially children) in the first place..


Don't like my smoking? Move the **** away.
 
Keyword here is public and you sound bitter.

Smoking is an absolutely disgusting habit and while I used to be rather tolerant of them, I have had smoke blown my way by too many an inconsiderate smoker to even tolerate them anymore.

Are you of the mind that smokers should not be allowed to smoke inside their own homes or cars?

If they have children who would be forcibly exposed to that smoke, yes...

What is next? Police being able to burst into your home cause you are stuffing your face with unhealthy foods, spraying yourself with crap that can cause cancer and stinks? Where does it end? Or are you fine with all of this?

If you eat junk food in large amounts, while that is a poor choice, it is your choice. It doesn't affect others. When you smoke in a public space, you are affecting others with the poisonous emissions from the cancer sticks that you are lighting up.
 
Don't like my smoking? Move the **** away.

If I am in a public area first, you are violating MY rights when you light up... it is people like you that are leading me to increasingly believe we should criminalize the stuff and let you addicts SUFFER!!!
 
If I am in a public area first, you are violating MY rights when you light up... it is people like you that are leading me to increasingly believe we should criminalize the stuff and let you addicts SUFFER!!!

I don't give a **** about your non-existent rights in a public space when you are perfectly capable of relocating yourself if it bothers you. You are violating my rights by trying to tell me what I can and cannot do in my home, my car, and in public. If you came up to me and bitched about it I would smile and blow smoke in your ****ing face.
 
Smokers are filthy people who don't give a damn about others.
I favor the ban.
Also much higher taxes on cigarettes to defray the expense of the clean-up....
As far as I am concerned, they can smoke in air-tight canisters and breath their own crap.

WOW so thats why I don't give damn about others. It's my smoking. By the way don't sterotype a group that use a legal substance just becuase you don't like it.
 
I don't give a **** about your non-existent rights in a public space when you are perfectly capable of relocating yourself if it bothers you. You are violating my rights by trying to tell me what I can and cannot do in my home, my car, and in public. If you came up to me and bitched about it I would smile and blow smoke in your ****ing face.

ANd I would file charges for assault... and in many jurisdictions, a case could be made on that basis...

And those rights I point to are NOT non-existant... as can be seen by an increasingly growing consensus that non-smokers DO have rights... And if you have children in your home, you darn well better believe that smoking in their presense IS child abuse... and you do NOT have an inalienable right to smoke in public in the presense of others... and it is the attitude of people like yourself that make these laws ever more palatable for the majority of people who find your attitude and actions to be disgraceful...
 
WOW so thats why I don't give damn about others. It's my smoking. By the way don't sterotype a group that use a legal substance just becuase you don't like it.

If you want to use it, fine. Just don't impose your cancer sticks and their emissions on others...
 
Oh, the dreaded perfume argument again... Tobacco smoke is a known carcinogen to EVERYONE who breathes it... sorry, not sympathetic at all... not one little iota,,,

Cars and factories spew out far more toxic crap into the air than smokers do. I don't hear you ranting against them wanting them illegal. Oh wait...cars are more useful huh? Who gives a crap? They're both legal and as such its bull crap to ban them in the open air.

Smoking is an absolutely disgusting habit and while I used to be rather tolerant of them, I have had smoke blown my way by too many an inconsiderate smoker to even tolerate them anymore.

Oh boo hoo. Grow thicker skin. It was probably your crappy attitude towards smokers that got the smoke blown in your face. Not because they were inconsiderate.
 
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