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New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

What of the New Ban.

  • Good

    Votes: 19 27.1%

  • Too far

    Votes: 49 70.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Total voters
    70
Again it boils down to people not respecting each other. If you are outside and a non smoker is down wind, move a few feet, will not kill you. Same for non smoker. If a smoker is next to the ash tray, move and let them put the ash and butts into it.

Amazing how just a little common courtesy would help with all this angst over smoking.
 
The way I would construct laws in regards to cigarette use would have to do with relative freedom of movement as well as whether the smoking was indoors or out. If indoors, I would prohibit smoking in public places, and in those situations outside where people have fixed seating such as sporting events or concerts, likewise. As long as people are free to move around, though, I would not restrict smoking.
 
Blackdog said:
Again it boils down to people not respecting each other. If you are outside and a non smoker is down wind, move a few feet, will not kill you. Same for non smoker. If a smoker is next to the ash tray, move and let them put the ash and butts into it.

Amazing how just a little common courtesy would help with all this angst over smoking.
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Why do people smoke in this day and age, anyway?
 
USA_1 said:
Why do people smoke in this day and age, anyway?
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Why do people use drugs? Why do people like fast cars? I mean why ask why? We like it.
 
Blackdog said:
Why do people use drugs? Why do people like fast cars? I mean why ask why? We like it.
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You do know eventually you won't like it anymore and will do anything to quit. It will be the hardest thing you ever do. After you quit you will regret every cigarette you've ever smoked and every dollar wasted on cigarettes. You will become an anti smoking crusader. You will be like the rest of us. I know. I smoked for 15 years.
You smoke because you are addicted.
 
In my humble opinion yes smoking is bad, but the American people knew that as far back as the 50's when they were called coffin nails.
Also overeating is bad obeisity is bad addicted to prescription drugs is bad, starting wars that don't need to be started ect.

However in the 50's people had and made choices nobody made their choices for them and if the people didn't like smoke they sit in a differant area or moved out of the way.
No death certificate as ever been produced saying second hand smoke killed this person.
Obeisiety however is a differant story and so is guns which is in the 2nd amendment to the constitution. that I support.
 
USA_1 said:
You do know eventually you won't like it anymore and will do anything to quit. It will be the hardest thing you ever do. After you quit you will regret every cigarette you've ever smoked and every dollar wasted on cigarettes. You will become an anti smoking crusader. You will be like the rest of us. I know. I smoked for 15 years.
You smoke because you are addicted.
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Don't give me that crap, you don't even know me. I swear X smokers are the worst.

I smoke because I like it. No one put a gun to my head and said smoke this or you die, lol. I am probably addicted now after 30+ years, but so what? I still like it.

My father never smoked a day in his life. He also never drank nor did his father or mother do anything of the sort. He was also an organic farmer before this organic craze started.

He died at 62 of lung cancer as did his father at 60.

When your time is up, it's up.

So you can keep your self righteous non smoking crap and well, you know.

I mean really, you asked a stupid question. :roll:

Edit: Quiting is hard, very hard. I will acknowledge that as I have quit. Did not smoke for 2 years, but I like it. ;)
 
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Gotta agree with ya Blackdog.

I started smoking when I was 16 I'm 65 today.

I think the keyword here is individual.
 
Blackdog said:
Don't give me that crap, you don't even know me. I swear X smokers are the worst.

I smoke because I like it. No one put a gun to my head and said smoke this or you die, lol. I am probably addicted now after 30+ years, but so what? I still like it.

My father never smoked a day in his life. He also never drank nor did his father or mother do anything of the sort. He was also an organic farmer before this organic craze started.

He died at 62 of lung cancer as did his father at 60.

When your time is up, it's up.

So you can keep your self righteous non smoking crap and well, you know.

I mean really, you asked a stupid question. :roll:

Edit: Quiting is hard, very hard. I will acknowledge that as I have quit. Did not smoke for 2 years, but I like it. ;)
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Go ahead waste your money and ruin your health. Someday you will see the light and you will be an ex smoker just like me. The only reason people like smoking is because they are addicted. They need the fix. I know plenty of people that died early and suffered horrible deaths from smoking.

You reacted like everyone addicted to smoking. Just like a little child.
 
USA_1 said:
Go ahead waste your money and ruin your health. Someday you will see the light and you will be an ex smoker just like me. The only reason people like smoking is because they are addicted. They need the fix. I know plenty of people that died early and suffered horrible deaths from smoking.

You reacted like everyone addicted to smoking. Just like a little child.
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Perfect example of the "angry X smoker," lol.

I am acting like a child because I choose to live my life the way I want? HEHEHEHEHEHE!

Well at least you made me laugh.
 
presluc said:
Gotta agree with ya Blackdog.

I started smoking when I was 16 I'm 65 today.

I think the keyword here is individual.
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How's your lungs? You do know 65 isn't that old and you probably have shortened your life by a decade or so. If in the next few years a doctor tells you you have lung cancer from your smoking will you still agree with BD? I have known dozens of smokers in my life. I have heard all the excuses and justifications to smoke.
 
USA_1 said:
I have known dozens of smokers in my life. I have heard all the excuses and justifications to smoke.
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Then you should consider the fact at our age, we have heard all that as well.

I am willing to take responsibility for my actions, and I already have problems not connected to smoking. So your argument really means very little to me.
 
Blackdog said:
Then you should consider the fact at our age, we have heard all that as well.

I am willing to take responsibility for my actions, and I already have problems not connected to smoking. So your argument really means very little to me.
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So you plan on smoking the rest of your life?
 
USA_1 said:
So you plan on smoking the rest of your life?
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I don't know to be honest. I have quit before, I may quit again. Don't think about it in those terms.

I have a better chance of climbing into my car or a pre exsisting condition killing me than anything related to smoking.

I agree smoking increases your chances or risk of heart disease etc. In the grand scheme of things I am more concerned with enjoying the time I have, than worrying about how much time I have.

One thing is guaranteed in life, you are at some point going to die. I don't concern myself with when or why as long as I do whats right by God, and myself.
 
X Factor said:
You just don't get it do you? On one hand you get on your high horse about smokers and how vile and disgusting they are, but at the same time you talk almost reverently about the awesome creativity of drug users and how there should be no laws prohibiting what you put into your body as part of your exploration of life (or whatever) and you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty? I have a question though, if drugs are so awesome and enlightening, why did you get your knickers in a twist when you thought I suggested you were on them? Your positions are so contradictory it's just laughable. If I'm clever, it's because you make it easy for me. ;)
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It's you who isn't getting it. Let me make a neat little chart for you so that maybe you can comprehend:

Drug use: Ok.
Tobacco use: Ok. (tobacco is a drug but I separated it for simpletons such as yourself)
Public drug use that affects others: Not ok.
Public tobacco use and second hand smoke: Not ok.

People's rights end where mine begin. If people want to smoke pot, or crack, or whatever it is they want to smoke, they should be doing it where I don't have to inhale second hand smoke.

And I got offended because you were making personal attacks on TOP of completely misrepresenting what I said.
 
Blackdog said:
I don't know to be honest. I have quit before, I may quit again. Don't think about it in those terms.

I have a better chance of climbing into my car or a pre exsisting condition killing me than anything related to smoking.

I agree smoking increases your chances or risk of heart disease etc. In the grand scheme of things I am more concerned with enjoying the time I have, than worrying about how much time I have.

One thing is guaranteed in life, you are at some point going to die. I don't concern myself with when or why as long as I do whats right by God, and myself.
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It's funny how peoples beliefs change the closer they get to death.
 
USA_1 said:
It's funny how peoples beliefs change the closer they get to death.
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I am a Christian, I look forward to it. I have knocked at deaths door before. So again your argument is self righteous ranting at best. :doh

Blanket statements are a lie. No way around that.
 
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Blackdog said:
I am a Christian, I look forward to it. I have knocked at deaths door before. So again your argument is self righteous ranting at best. :doh

Blanket statements are a lie. No way around that.
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I have known a lot of people like you. Have exactly the same arguments.....going to die anyway.....something else will kill me...........Hasn't hurt me so far........my uncle lived to be 101 and he smoked all his life.....Then when they get the bad news that they have lung cancer or they need a transplant they want the doctors to do anything to save them. After all they have a family to take care of.
I am not self rightious. I have seen first hand what smoking does to a family. The truth is there is no bigger waste of money or something so harmful to ones health. It's an addiction that people like you deny that you have. You say you smoke because you want to smoke, but we both know that's not true. You have to smoke.
 
USA_1 said:
How's your lungs? You do know 65 isn't that old and you probably have shortened your life by a decade or so. If in the next few years a doctor tells you you have lung cancer from your smoking will you still agree with BD? I have known dozens of smokers in my life. I have heard all the excuses and justifications to smoke.
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I don't smoke, but my justification for people smoking is: It's America bitch. STFU and mind your own damned business.
 
Temporal said:
People's rights end where mine begin. If people want to smoke pot, or crack, or whatever it is they want to smoke, they should be doing it where I don't have to inhale second hand smoke.
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Well the thing about public areas is that they're public and people are going to be there. Some may even be doing things you don't like. Consequence of freedom. You're not so special that everyone should drop what they're doing and pay heed to everything you desire and want. I don't like those black cloud belching diesel trucks in front of my when I'm on my motorcycle. But they're on the road and every once in awhile they're there. I don't like smelling the stench and disease of hippies either; yet every so often jerks from Boulder come up here. Gotta deal with it, consequence of freedom.
 
Ikari said:
Well the thing about public areas is that they're public and people are going to be there. Some may even be doing things you don't like. Consequence of freedom. You're not so special that everyone should drop what they're doing and pay heed to everything you desire and want. I don't like those black cloud belching diesel trucks in front of my when I'm on my motorcycle. But they're on the road and every once in awhile they're there. I don't like smelling the stench and disease of hippies either; yet every so often jerks from Boulder come up here. Gotta deal with it, consequence of freedom.
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I keep seeing this analogy but it's a flawed one. We live in a fossil fuel economy and that's just reality. For our economy to work people have to drive, and exhaust has to be expelled. I'm also not sitting in the middle of a busy road when I inhale second hand smoke, this is about sitting in a park where people go to avoid the day-to-day city rush. There is no productive reason to smoke in a park that justifies my exposure to the smoke.

I agree that freedom comes with responsibilities, one of which is that if you want to inhale substances, you don't get to do it where you please. Your rights end where mine begin. I also agree with earlier comments that a few bad apples are ruining it for everyone and that many smokers are considerate. Problem is, the bad apples make for a bad experience.
 
USA_1 said:
I have known a lot of people like you. Have exactly the same arguments.....going to die anyway.....something else will kill me...........Hasn't hurt me so far........my uncle lived to be 101 and he smoked all his life.....Then when they get the bad news that they have lung cancer or they need a transplant they want the doctors to do anything to save them. After all they have a family to take care of.
I am not self rightious. I have seen first hand what smoking does to a family. The truth is there is no bigger waste of money or something so harmful to ones health. It's an addiction that people like you deny that you have. You say you smoke because you want to smoke, but we both know that's not true. You have to smoke.
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Hehehehehehe! Yea you don't sound self righteous.

Yes I have an addiction, and I like it. So oh well.

Tell you what, why don't you let us smoke, and you worry about yourself. I am a grown man and I am perfectly capable of making my own choices. I don't need asinine X smokers telling me what I can do to my own body.

Now if you are that afraid, go and hide because I have bad news. The air you breath every day is as bad with the carbon monoxide etc. Lets not even get into the other pollutants factory's etc pump into the air. Oh did I mention the water and radiation?

We are all going to die! lmao!
 
Blackdog said:
Hehehehehehe! Yea you don't sound self righteous.

Yes I have an addiction, and I like it. So oh well.

Tell you what, why don't you let us smoke, and you worry about yourself. I am a grown man and I am perfectly capable of making my own choices. I don't need asinine X smokers telling me what I can do to my own body.

Now if you are that afraid, go and hide because I have bad news. The air you breath every day is as bad with the carbon monoxide etc. Lets not even get into the other pollutants factory's etc pump into the air. Oh did I mention the water and radiation?

We are all going to die! lmao!
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I was stating fact.
You actually like being a slave to cigarettes? That really is pathetic.

I have heard all your arguments for smoking a dozen times before. Eventually everyone quits or dies.
After your responses I hope you never quit smoking and get everything you deserve.
 
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Temporal said:
I keep seeing this analogy but it's a flawed one. We live in a fossil fuel economy and that's just reality. For our economy to work people have to drive, and exhaust has to be expelled. I'm also not sitting in the middle of a busy road when I inhale second hand smoke, this is about sitting in a park where people go to avoid the day-to-day city rush. There is no productive reason to smoke in a park that justifies my exposure to the smoke.

I agree that freedom comes with responsibilities, one of which is that if you want to inhale substances, you don't get to do it where you please. Your rights end where mine begin. I also agree with earlier comments that a few bad apples are ruining it for everyone and that many smokers are considerate. Problem is, the bad apples make for a bad experience.
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Yeah, and another reality is that we live in a free society where tobacoo is legal and some people are going to choose to use it. We reap a lot of tax dollars and benefit from it as well. Someone smoking in a park while you walk by is not going to kill you, it's just a bad smell and there's plenty of those to go around. You're rights are not being violated at all by someone smoking near your proximity. Your senses are offended is all, and there's no right against being offended.

I don't know, a lot of these arguments remind me of the people on the Rift forums bitching against DPS and Heal meters.
 
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