New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

Kali said:

How about the non-smokers learn to be friendly and filled with understanding rather than hate towards smokers? This land is your land and this land is my land. Respect goes both ways and again: you do not OWN a public beach so if my smoking fine ass cannot find a non-crowded spot? I have as much right to sit beside your "feel so entitled" ass as the next person. Smoker or not.

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Sorry, but you do not have the right to sit next to me on the beach and spread your cancer-causing pollutants to me and my children. Perfectly legal products are regularly prohibited from public areas in the interests of protecting the rights of all and make them child-friendly. How many localities ban intoxicating beverages from public places, including beaches. Never hear any outcry about that... but touch smoking... wow, that is such a sacred cow... give me a break... if you can't go without our tobacco fix, then don't go to where there will be other people outside trying to enjoy themselves without the presense of buttheads...

I USED to try to be understanding of smokers, but I have had too many experiences with butthead cancer stick addicts to be understanding of them any longer... why don't buttheads try to be understanding of the MAJORITY who don't want cancer sticks and their emmissions shoved in their faces?

ludahai said:

Sorry, but you do not have the right to sit next to me on the beach and spread your cancer-causing pollutants to me and my children. Perfectly legal products are regularly prohibited from public areas in the interests of protecting the rights of all and make them child-friendly. How many localities ban intoxicating beverages from public places, including beaches. Never hear any outcry about that... but touch smoking... wow, that is such a sacred cow... give me a break... if you can't go without our tobacco fix, then don't go to where there will be other people outside trying to enjoy themselves without the presense of buttheads...

I USED to try to be understanding of smokers, but I have had too many experiences with butthead cancer stick addicts to be understanding of them any longer... why don't buttheads try to be understanding of the MAJORITY who don't want cancer sticks and their emmissions shoved in their faces?

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Well as long as it is a public beach and there are no laws that prohibit public smoking? Then yep: got every right to sit next to you and your kiddos. Like I said before I try my best to find a spot so I do not bother anybody but if that happened to be a crowded beach that day? Well tough cookies for you and your kids as I have as much right to enjoy that beach as you and you are free to move away from me. I am NOT stopping ya.

I also feel you should be able to drink intoxicating beverages on a beach as long as they are in a cup and no open beer cans. I guess maybe the smokers and/or drinkers need to just go to only adult beach but even some of those have outlawd both so that sucks.

Why don;t the smoking nazis just understand that they can move on along til they find an area where there is no smokers.

Kali said:

Well as long as it is a public beach and there are no laws that prohibit public smoking? Then yep: got every right to sit next to you and your kiddos. Like I said before I try my best to find a spot so I do not bother anybody but if that happened to be a crowded beach that day? Well tough cookies for you and your kids as I have as much right to enjoy that beach as you and you are free to move away from me. I am NOT stopping ya.

I also feel you should be able to drink intoxicating beverages on a beach as long as they are in a cup and no open beer cans. I guess maybe the smokers and/or drinkers need to just go to only adult beach but even some of those have outlawd both so that sucks.

Why don;t the smoking nazis just understand that they can move on along til they find an area where there is no smokers.

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You are the minority. Your days of lighting up without regard to anyone else are ending. For decades smokers had that right but those days are over. I can remember when patients were allowed to smoke in their hospital bed. I suppose your probably bitch about not being able to smoke in a hospital too.
But nobody cares about your whining.

We are not moving for you anymore.

Crosscheck said:

You are the minority. Your days of lighting up without regard to anyone else are ending. For decades smokers had that right but those days are over. I can remember when patients were allowed to smoke in their hospital bed. I suppose your probably bitch about not being able to smoke in a hospital too.
But nobody cares about your whining.

We are not moving for you anymore.

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Well you seem to care enough to reply and your little comment about my not having reguard for others is wrong. Can you not follow my posts as have said I go out of my way to try to be a nice smoker and consider others but it works both ways.

Anyways since you could care less about smokers rights? Do not come crying to DP when some of your rights are taken away as I will feel nothing for you.

Kali said:

Well you seem to care enough to reply and your little comment about my not having reguard for others is wrong. Can you not follow my posts as have said I go out of my way to try to be a nice smoker and consider others but it works both ways.

Anyways since you could care less about smokers rights? Do not come crying to DP when some of your rights are taken away as I will feel nothing for you.

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I frankly don't need your feelings. It actually creeps me out.

Kali said:

Well as long as it is a public beach and there are no laws that prohibit public smoking? Then yep: got every right to sit next to you and your kiddos. Like I said before I try my best to find a spot so I do not bother anybody but if that happened to be a crowded beach that day? Well tough cookies for you and your kids as I have as much right to enjoy that beach as you and you are free to move away from me. I am NOT stopping ya.

I also feel you should be able to drink intoxicating beverages on a beach as long as they are in a cup and no open beer cans. I guess maybe the smokers and/or drinkers need to just go to only adult beach but even some of those have outlawd both so that sucks.

Why don;t the smoking nazis just understand that they can move on along til they find an area where there is no smokers.

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Except that in this case, the City of New York has passed an ordinance PROHIBITING smoking on their beaches... and there are already others... so, NO, in those cases you DO NOT have a right to smoke on those beaches... and I support prohibiting them on ALL public beaches!!!

Smokers DO NOT have the right to smoke anywhere they want... the PRIVILEGE can be taken away

ludahai said:

Except that in this case, the City of New York has passed an ordinance PROHIBITING smoking on their beaches... and there are already others... so, NO, in those cases you DO NOT have a right to smoke on those beaches... and I support prohibiting them on ALL public beaches!!!

Smokers DO NOT have the right to smoke anywhere they want... the PRIVILEGE can be taken away

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The bolded part is sadly true.

The second part of your post is true but keep in mind if you allow them to keep stripping away the folks rights you may end up with none.

Of course you support them taking away smokers rights as you have no compassion nor do you care for smokers. You are very hateful when it comes to smokers.

The good part? Based on this poll and others? Majority of people do think smokers should still have some rights left. Thank goodness the masses do not think like you and other smoking nazis

Kali said:

The bolded part is sadly true.

The second part of your post is true but keep in mind if you allow them to keep stripping away the folks rights you may end up with none.

Of course you support them taking away smokers rights as you have no compassion nor do you care for smokers. You are very hateful when it comes to smokers.

The good part? Based on this poll and others? Majority of people do think smokers should still have some rights left. Thank goodness the masses do not think like you and other smoking nazis

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Not "sadly" from my point of view. It is nice to know that there are some places I can take my family to the beach and not have to worry about addicts and their cancer sticks.

I am doing nothing to take away your "rights". You have no right to smoke and poison the air of those around you. Local governments DO have the right to take that PRIVILEGE away from you. Unfortunately, too many smokers have proven to be absolutely incapable of understanding that non-smokers around them do not want to be subjected to their poisonous emmissions.

Also, I would say that the results of this poll are certainly not indicative of the majority of people around the United States and other countries. I wouldn't take much stock in a DP poll, to be perfectly honest...

I DO have compassion for smokers. I feel bad that they are addicted to a poisonous weed and hope that they are all able to give it up as soon as possible, both for their own good and for the good of those around them... especially if they have children...

Now, Boston is considering a similar ban.

Two Boston city councilors are proposing to ban smoking in public parks and beaches, carrying the decadeslong campaign to reduce tobacco use to some of the last remaining public spaces where lighting up is still allowed.

Hundreds of communities nationwide, including Braintree, have already adopted similar prohibitions.

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Braintree, MA already does it, as do something like 500 some-odd communities around the country. NY's prohibition is only part of an already growing trend, not a trendsetter...

Last week, New York became the latest big city to eliminate smoking in parks, beaches, and even Times Square. About 500 cities — Los Angeles and San Francisco among them — bar smoking in parks, declaring it a public nuisance and health threat akin to the consumption of alcohol.

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ludahai said:

Not "sadly" from my point of view. It is nice to know that there are some places I can take my family to the beach and not have to worry about addicts and their cancer sticks.

I am doing nothing to take away your "rights". You have no right to smoke and poison the air of those around you. Local governments DO have the right to take that PRIVILEGE away from you. Unfortunately, too many smokers have proven to be absolutely incapable of understanding that non-smokers around them do not want to be subjected to their poisonous emmissions.

Also, I would say that the results of this poll are certainly not indicative of the majority of people around the United States and other countries. I wouldn't take much stock in a DP poll, to be perfectly honest...

I DO have compassion for smokers. I feel bad that they are addicted to a poisonous weed and hope that they are all able to give it up as soon as possible, both for their own good and for the good of those around them... especially if they have children...

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The tide has turned on smokers. There is the frantic last minute attempt to justify their need to infringe on everyone's rights.

Thre is the automatic attempt to comparing the banning of cigs to banning people from eating high fat content hamburgers. But eating a hamburger isn't going to effect people 20 feet away.

Then there is the traditional attempt to claim we will then lose all our rights. Which is the last straws the addict attempts to grasp. The so call Sky is Falling angle. They banned heroin years ago and I still seem to have most of my rights of freedom.


The point is that there isn't anything beneficial about smoking cigarettes. Why would anyone of normal intellingence spend time trying to defend something that can cause such a host of medical problems from lung cancer down to decreasing the size of one's erection.

Kali said:

The bolded part is sadly true.

The second part of your post is true but keep in mind if you allow them to keep stripping away the folks rights you may end up with none.

Of course you support them taking away smokers rights as you have no compassion nor do you care for smokers. You are very hateful when it comes to smokers.

The good part? Based on this poll and others? Majority of people do think smokers should still have some rights left. Thank goodness the masses do not think like you and other smoking nazis

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When the smoker litters with his filthy habit, when he damages property with his smoke, when he blows smoke in someone's face, then he should lose the right to smoke.
This applies to all rights.

Crosscheck said:

The tide has turned on smokers. There is the frantic last minute attempt to justify their need to infringe on everyone's rights.

Thre is the automatic attempt to comparing the banning of cigs to banning people from eating high fat content hamburgers. But eating a hamburger isn't going to effect people 20 feet away.

Then there is the traditional attempt to claim we will then lose all our rights. Which is the last straws the addict attempts to grasp. The so call Sky is Falling angle. They banned heroin years ago and I still seem to have most of my rights of freedom.


The point is that there isn't anything beneficial about smoking cigarettes. Why would anyone of normal intellingence spend time trying to defend something that can cause such a host of medical problems from lung cancer down to decreasing the size of one's erection.

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The key words are "normal intelligence".
I would add "respect for others".

Well I think I have said all I needed to say as the smoking nazis will never support the rights of people that include smokers. I understand I will never change their mind and that is fine by me.

But I will keep it in mind when they come crying about their rights being stripped away when it does finally happen and it will as some seem to be on a Police Nation kind of kick that will not end til the great peeps of our country have no rights. They will only be happy when the day comes that they (gov) can be all up in everybodys biz, in their homes, in their backyard telling you what you can smoke, eat, drink, wear, listen to, watch on the tv, what you can or cannot drive, what dogs you can or cannot own, what kind of things you can grow on your land and who knows what else. The madness is here to stay and some that hating on smokers will not be happy when they take some of those above away. Be careful what ya wish for.

*raises nicotine-stained middle finger* I will continue to break this law.:2razz:

Illumination said:

*raises nicotine-stained middle finger* I will continue to break this law.:2razz:

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Wow... no respect for the law from the smoking community... and people wonder why I look at smokers and immediately deduct 10 IQ points... I mean, really... if you want to smoke, fine... just do it in a place away from children and other non-smokers...

ludahai said:

Wow... no respect for the law from the smoking community... and people wonder why I look at smokers and immediately deduct 10 IQ points... I mean, really... if you want to smoke, fine... just do it in a place away from children and other non-smokers...

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And by the same token? If you do not wish to be around smokers? Keep it moving til you find a happy spot where there are no smokers.

Kali said:

And by the same token? If you do not wish to be around smokers? Keep it moving til you find a happy spot where there are no smokers.

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Why should I have to move is my family and I have been enjoying out time at the beach all morning and are eating lunch when a fat, obese, disgusting, smoker decides to plop his fat butt right next to my children and smoke away... typical smokers...

How about smoker's only zones at beaches so you can all share your smoke with one another and spare families from the torture of your disgusting habit???

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Why should I have to move is my family and I have been enjoying out time at the beach all morning and are eating lunch when a fat, obese, disgusting, smoker decides to plop his fat butt right next to my children and smoke away... typical smokers...

How about smoker's only zones at beaches so you can all share your smoke with one another and spare families from the torture of your disgusting habit???

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LOL! Why does your example of a smoker have to be so very bad?

ludahai sweetie, the examples you have given in this thread about typical smokers are not typical at all. You just have it in for smokers and are gonna try to paint us all in as bad of light as possible.

We have already did the beach scene and I have no reason to go there with you again. I will repeat what I said: if the beach is crowded? Smoker has as much right to beach as you and kids and you may have to move if ugly, fat smoker cannot find anywhere else on said beach to park his smoking butt.

Honestly did someone you know die of lung cancer or something? Why must you hate human smokers as you do? The majority of smokers I know are very courteous and go out of there way to make sure they do not bother anybody. They also make sure not to litter their ciggy butts anywhere. Either you have bad luck with rude smokers or you are just looking to hate smokers for personal reasons.

BTW, I would totally support that smokers zone thing.

Kali said:

LOL! Why does your example of a smoker have to be so very bad?

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Because, while this does not apply to every smoker, I generally DO look down on smokers. They engage in a disgusting habit that is known to harm ones health. Furthermore, many (not all, mind you) simply do not have regard for non-smokers.

ludahai sweetie, the examples you have given in this thread about typical smokers are not typical at all. You just have it in for smokers and are gonna try to paint us all in as bad of light as possible.

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I really do not like smokers. I have had some bad experience with smokers. I am very sensitive to cancer stick smoke, that is true. But the times I see smokers eating around food (while preparing it), in restaurants with children around, and just simply not acknolwdging that there are non-smokers and we simply do not want to smell your emmissions...

We have already did the beach scene and I have no reason to go there with you again. I will repeat what I said: if the beach is crowded? Smoker has as much right to beach as you and kids and you may have to move if ugly, fat smoker cannot find anywhere else on said beach to park his smoking butt.

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Actually, no, that is not true. In many jurisdictions, smokers do NOT have the right to go on that beach. New York is not the trendsetter here, but rather is following a growing trend.

Honestly did someone you know die of lung cancer or something? Why must you hate human smokers as you do? The majority of smokers I know are very courteous and go out of there way to make sure they do not bother anybody. They also make sure not to litter their ciggy butts anywhere. Either you have bad luck with rude smokers or you are just looking to hate smokers for personal reasons.

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Who DOESN'T know someone who has died from this horrible weed. I also suferred from childhood asthma, as do many children in the homes of smokers do to having to deal with a father who was a heavy smoker. Yes, forcing children to inhale that garbage is CHILD ABUSE. So, yes, I do have a history of this and no I am not going to apologize for my anti-smoking militancy. Smokers who actually acknowlegde that we don't want to smell their emissions (and I know a few who do, though I can't really call them friends as I have VERY few friends who even smoke in the first place), that is one thing. However, a distressingly large number do not.

BTW, I would totally support that smokers zone thing.

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Let's focus on this point of agreement. BTW, this was proposed to me by one of my few friends who DOES smoke and understands the points of non-smokers...

ludahai, I think we pretty much beat this subeject to death but came upon a happy place: smokers zone for beaches and other places.

Having said that? I do not consider smoking inside your own home around children as child abuse. If your parent is beating the crap out of you with a belt? That is child abuse. If parent is smoking in a room off from everything else? Not child abuse to me. Sorry.

I support the smoking ban. There is nothing good about cigarettes, not one thing. If you want to smoke, smoke in a private establishment, not in a park where your toxic smoke and cigarette butts litter our parks. Can't count the number of times I've shared a park bench with someone who suddenly lit up and their disgusting and toxic smoke blew in my face.

Temporal said:

I support the smoking ban. There is nothing good about cigarettes, not one thing. If you want to smoke, smoke in a private establishment, not in a park where your toxic smoke and cigarette butts litter our parks. Can't count the number of times I've shared a park bench with someone who suddenly lit up and their disgusting and toxic smoke blew in my face.

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From a smokers point? There are plenty of good things about cigs.

Non-smokers do not own the world and you can always move to another bench.

Kali said:

From a smokers point? There are plenty of good things about cigs.

Non-smokers do not own the world and you can always move to another bench.

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No thanks. The smoker can move... to their home, or the street outside the park, or to another planet, or FOAD for all I care. No more whining about smokers rights. Just go away with your disgusting crap.

Temporal said:

No thanks. The smoker can move... to their home, or the street outside the park, or to another planet, or FOAD for all I care. No more whining about smokers rights. Just go away with your disgusting crap.

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What makes non-smokers rights more valid than smokers?

How about you non-smokers just go away? Why does it have to be the smokers that have to go away?

The only disgusting crap about this is that some non-smokers feel as if they are more worthy of rights than smokers. Of course I would expect that from someone who has no problem with stealing from others. Your sense of entitlement is funny. lol

Kali said:

What makes non-smokers rights more valid than smokers?

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One has the health prerogative, the other does not.

Kali said:

How about you non-smokers just go away? Why does it have to be the smokers that have to go away?

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Non-smokers are the majority. If you want to smoke, YOU go where WE tell you that you can smoke.

Kali said:

The only disgusting crap about this is that some non-smokers feel as if they are more worthy of rights than smokers.

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Sorry, you don't have the right to blow toxic fumes in my face while I'm sitting on the same park bench as you. I support any law that takes away a smoker's right to smoke in proximity to me, even on the windiest day.

Kali said:

Of course I would expect that from someone who has no problem with stealing from others. Your sense of entitlement is funny. lol

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And I would expect such asinine replies from someone who doesn't even understand the simple legal distinction between copyright infringement and theft. You must enjoy being wrong a lot.