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Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

Yes or No?

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Meaning you don't like that your Jesus talked about Satan a lot ;)

But then...perhaps you believe in him in the "metaphorical" sense...

Jerry said:
If you could perhaps remove all those numbers and provide some of your own content to supplement a quote I might know what your talking about and could reply.

And no I use the NIV simply because i don't understand old English.
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I didn't, Jerry did.

Wake said:
Not sure why you brought the difference between Lucifer and Satan into this(don't ask my belief on it). You've also brought in scripture. Since you accel in doing that, perhaps you wouldn't mind posting in the scripture in both the New and Old testamnet that are against homosexuality? I know they're there (sincerely), but you'd seem more apt to do so, and I have less time.
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DiAnna said:
I'm a little perplexed by the wording. I don't actually think any marriage as such "promotes family." It doesn't promote anything, except two people decided for emotional and/or financial reasons that they want to spend a portion of their lives together. (I'd say their entire lives, but with the divorce rate at 50% that makes me sound a bit clueless!) Children actually promote family, in my view.

If I understand what you actually mean, the opposite of what you're asking would be "Does SSM degrade or harm family?" Since my answer to that question would be "no", I suspect my answer to your question would be "yes."

Or something. :mrgreen:
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70% of woman who are murdered were killed by their husbands or live-in boyfriends. Marriage "can" promote stability in a relationship, but sex promotes family, not marriage. Marriage promotes stability, but can also promote murdering your wife.

I don't think the value of marriage is based on what it promotes, but the stability it creates in a relationship. If that relationship involves children or pets, they will benefit, but it doesn't really promote children or pets.

Pets can be a substitute for children. Does that mean pets promote "not" having a family? Only about half of all same-sex couples have children, so does that mean by allowing them to have recognized marriages, somehow promotes having children for the remaining 50%? Maybe maybe not, I don't think they are related.

This whole question sounds kind of insane, to me.
 
(smile).....you just lost this "debate"...you brought up the Bible ;)

Jerry said:
I like how they introduce scripture and religion into the thread and then accuse others of being the bible-thumper. Trolling at it's finest :peace
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Jerry said:
I like how they introduce scripture and religion into the thread and then accuse others of being the bible-thumper. Trolling at it's finest :peace
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It's game over for ya. You admitted that scripture dictates your position. No more of the "I'd support same sex marriage if..." bullcrap that you pander on the forum.
 
Amazed said:
I didn't, Jerry did.
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Actually we're both incorrect but I'm incorrect the most. Kalit actually initiated theis question to Jerry:

"Offtopic but curious do you consider Lucifer and Satan to be the same being?"

However it seems you are partaking in that discussion. Because you brought in scripture on that issues, I would ask that you bring in scripture that does show that homosexuality is wrong in both parts of the Bible, since it seems you are insultuous towards Christians, yet bring in scripture at the same time.
 
CriticalThought said:
It's game over for ya. You admitted that scripture dictates your position. No more of the "I'd support same sex marriage if..." bullcrap that you pander on the forum.
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Religion is a reasonable excuse to vote and have an opinion and vote based on it.

Do you also imply that to be religious and vote based on your religious beliefs is somehow insane?

Is this true or not?
 
Wake said:
To be objective, I see it differently. I see them as not being devout Christians at all, but state scriptures and try to argue their case as those they understand religion based from experience. They call people "Bible-thumpers" because those being called that are actually devout in their religion. Some truly devout Christians aren't only not phased, but take pride by being called that because it's essentially a non-believer making fun of their devotion and depth of experience.
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That's exactly what it is. I take pride in being recognized as a religious zealot. I'm also a legal, family, military and America zealot. It's not an insult.
 
Wake said:
Religion is a reasonable excuse to vote and have an opinion and vote based on it.

Do you also imply that to be religious and vote based on your religious beliefs is somehow insane?

Is this true or not?
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Everyone is entitled to their personal sensibilities. I just don't like it when people are intellectually dishonest about them.
 
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I was responding to Jerry's statements regarding Satan...he prefers to think of Satan in the "metaphorical" sense...but his belief in "scripture", most notably the New Int. Version doesn't support his contentions....if he wants to think of "Satan" in that sense...he must also think of "Jesus" in that sense.


Wake said:
Actually we're both incorrect but I'm incorrect the most. Kalit actually initiated theis question to Jerry:

"Offtopic but curious do you consider Lucifer and Satan to be the same being?"

However it seems you are partaking in that discussion. Because you brought in scripture on that issues, I would ask that you bring in scripture that does show that homosexuality is wrong in both parts of the Bible, since it seems you are insultuous towards Christians, yet bring in scripture at the same time.
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Wake said:
To be objective, I see it differently. I see them as not being devout Christians at all, but state scriptures and try to argue their case as those they understand religion based from experience. They call people "Bible-thumpers" because those being called that are actually devout in their religion. Some truly devout Christians aren't only not phased, but take pride by being called that because it's essentially a non-believer making fun of their devotion and depth of experience.
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A non-Christian need not live a Christian life and experience religion in order to understand the words in the Bible any more than a non-American can understand the US Constitution. All it takes is a basic reading comprehension, and Viola! So we can use scripture to show inaccuracies any time we want and it will remain a valid form of debate.
 
Amazed said:
I was responding to Jerry's statements regarding Satan...he prefers to think of Satan in the "metaphorical" sense...but his belief in "scripture", most notably the New Int. Version doesn't support his contentions....if he wants to think of "Satan" in that sense...he must also think of "Jesus" in that sense.
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Satan (Hebrew: הַשָׂטָן ha-Satan), "the accuser",[1] is the title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible.[2] In Christianity and Islam the title became a personal name, and "Satan" changed from an accuser appointed by God to test men's faith to the chief of the rebellious fallen angels ("the devil" in Christianity, "Shaitan" in Arabic, the term used by Arab Christians and Muslims).[3]

Satan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Lucifer, or Semjâzâ, is the name of the leader of the Nephilim. It's accurate to use the title "Satan" to refer to Semjâzâ, but not all Satans are the same individual.

Sêmîazâz is not Arâkîba is not Râmêêl is not Kôkabîêl is not Tâmîêl is not Râmîêl is not Dânêl is not Êzêqêêl is not Barâqîjâl is not Asâêl is not Armârôs is not Batârêl is not Anânêl is not Zaqîêl is not Samsâpêêl is not Satarêl is not Tûrêl is not Jômjâêl is not Sariêl; but all are Satan.

"Jesus", however, is not a title, but the name of an individual. "God" is a title, and so we can call Jesus "God" as we can call His Father "God".
 
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Meaning as I said...

A) You don't actually believe the words of "Jesus"...
B) You have placed yourself outside of mainstream "Christianity"...


The Book of Enoch has never been canonical (in any religion)......you have placed yourself in the esoteric realm..and according to "real" "Bible" scholars...well....not "saved".


Jerry said:
Lucifer, or Semjâzâ, is the name of the leader of the Nephilim. It's accurate to use the title "Satan" to refer to Semjâzâ, but not all Satans are the same individual.

Sêmîazâz is not Arâkîba is not Râmêêl is not Kôkabîêl is not Tâmîêl is not Râmîêl is not Dânêl is not Êzêqêêl is not Barâqîjâl is not Asâêl is not Armârôs is not Batârêl is not Anânêl is not Zaqîêl is not Samsâpêêl is not Satarêl is not Tûrêl is not Jômjâêl is not Sariêl; but all are Satan.

"Jesus", however, is not a title, but the name of an individual. "God" is a title, and so we can call Jesus "God" as we can call His Father "God".
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Amazed said:
Meaning as I said...

A) You don't actually believe the words of "Jesus"...
B) You have placed yourself outside of mainstream "Christianity"...


The Book of Enoch has never been canonical (in any religion)......you have placed yourself in the esoteric realm..and according to "real" "Bible" scholars...well....not "saved".
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If you were a religious authority and if there were any consequence to what you believe, I might worry about it.

It's been a while since the last real discussion on global history and religion, but it was no secret that I see truth in the Rig-Veda and other texts.
 
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Redress said:
Stability and benefits to raise children, of course it promotes family.
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Lesbians have hormone imbalances, and gravitate towards moderating second rate, left leaning 'debate' sites. They have below average looks and tend to be morbidly obese... ;)
 
Jerry said:
No.

"Satan" is more of a generic term used to describe just about any antagonistic Nephelim, whereas Lucifer is the name of a specific being. Some bible-thumper will say something like "abortion is the work of Satan", which is true in a general sense, but the name of the Nephilim which taught Man abortion is Kasayed; a Nephilim.
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Can you remind me again exactly what brand of Christianity that you follow?
 
nonpareil said:
Marriage creates a family of two out of two single people, so yeah, marriage promotes family.
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Agreed. In fact, there is little reason to get married except to create a stable family environment. Sure, there are tax advantages, but how many straight couples marry for that reason? No reason gay couples would be different on that score.
 
Kali said:
Can you remind me again exactly what brand of Christianity that you follow?
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My church is not 501c3 tax exempt, which means officially we aren't any particular denomination; but no they don't discuss non cannon texts if that's where you're going.
 
Jerry said:
My church is not 501c3 tax exempt, which means officially we aren't any particular denomination; but no they don't discuss non cannon texts if that's where you're going.
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So you consider yourself?
 
Bodhisattva said:
I guess it really is easier to just say that homosexuals are more the more violent, drunk, high and cheating of the two orientations for some.


Well, thanks for your stated opinion.
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So you agree?


Tim-
 
How extraordinarily convenient for you...you get to pick and choose what you believe...;)

You've been pegged...and to think me.....a lowly mewbie pegged you so quickly...

Jerry said:
If you were a religious authority and if there were any consequence to what you believe, I might worry about it.

It's been a while since the last real discussion on global history and religion, but it was no secret that I see truth in the Rig-Veda and other texts.
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Amazed said:
How extraordinarily convenient for you...you get to pick and choose what you believe...
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this makes no sense...we all get to pick and choose what we believe. :shrug:
 
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