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Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

Yes or No?

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Andalublue said:
You know perfectly well, that's not what I was saying. I was saying that you choose to discount sins, to deny that certain behaviour which is scripturally prohibited IS prohibited, because it suits you to. You do not acknowledge these 'sins', you do not ask forgiveness for committing them and you make no effort not to commit them again. You may tell me that you do, but given the many thousands that exist within the pages of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, I am proposing that you do not. You pick and choose. I know many, many Christians that struggle with this dilemma. It seems to make them a little more humble. Perhaps you don't struggle.
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Are you addressing me specifically or did you climb on a soapbox against the general Christian community? If you're addressing me specifically then you need to provide quotes, but if you're on a soap box then please make room as I would like to join you.
 
Jerry said:
I let the Lord make His own judgments of people's hearts.

I'm only concerned with behavior and how the behavior of others affects me.

Please excuse me for answering purely academic questions about my faith.
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If you let the Lord make the judgments, then why oppose SSM? Why not let him make his judgments and you and your opinion just stay out of it?

How does homosexual behaviour affect you?

No need to apologize when trying to clarify contradictory views within your religion.
 
Your Star said:
I haven't allowed society to define me, I have defined myself, and my relationship with God is apart of that. And I believe that who I am, that the way I was born, isn't wrong.
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Good to hear. I believe what is in a person's heart, their compassion and caring, have nothing to do with who they want to have sex with.
 
Jerry said:
Are you addressing me specifically or did you climb on a soapbox against the general Christian community?
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No, not the general Christian community, just the self-righteous, judgemental section of the Christian community. I reckon they're in a minority, albeit a big one.
 
Bodhisattva said:
One benefit of having an independent 'version' of that institution instead of joining the institution is that there remains an openness to things like messages and scripture instead of being told what to believe and who to condemn.
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I have no problem with the Lord telling me what to believe. He's the Lord, no one would know better than He.
 
Jerry said:
"Equality" has been turned into a political buzz-word with a lot of sub-text, so as a political buzz-word, no Equality™ doesn't matter to me. Not at all.

Marriage is not about Equality™. Marriage is about the raising and socializing of children. Everything else a marriage does serves that purpose. If you're not raising children, you have no business being married whether your gay or not. If you are raising a child, then perhaps the argument can be made that the sin of your homosexuality is justified through serving a higher purpose.

If you're not raising a child then your relationship doesn't affect me and your actions are between you and God alone.


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It may surprise you that I strongly support gays serving openly in the military. Non of my support comes from a notion of equality, however. Just as marriage is not about equality, neither is the military about equality. The military is about defending the nation's interests, and it is my opinion that the military is harmed when it alienates the pool of talent in homosexuals.
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Equality under the law, isn't just a "political buzz phrase", and that unless the government can provide a compelling reason to deny SSM, then they can't deny it. And they don't have one.
 
Andalublue said:
No, not the general Christian community, just the self-righteous, judgemental section of the Christian community. I reckon they're in a minority, albeit a big one.
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You could take any group of people and find the self-righteous.
 
Jerry said:
I have no problem with the Lord telling me what to believe. He's the Lord, no one would know better than He.
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Then why does He tell you one thing, and me another?
 
Your Star said:
Equality under the law, isn't just a "political buzz phrase", and that unless the government can provide a compelling reason to deny SSM, then they can't deny it. And they don't have one.
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Do you know that you have anti-SSM to thank for the eventuality of SSM legalization? Anti-SSM has don more to legalize gay-marriage than pro-SSM could ever claim.
 
Jerry said:
Do you know that you have anti-SSM to thank for the eventuality of SSM legalization? Anti-SSM has don more to legalize gay-marriage than pro-SSM could ever claim.
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How so?

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Your Star said:
Then why does He tell you one thing, and me another?
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Why does the chess player move the Knight in one manner yet the Biship in another? Aren't all pieces equal?
 
Jerry said:
Do you know that you have anti-SSM to thank for the eventuality of SSM legalization? Anti-SSM has don more to legalize gay-marriage than pro-SSM could ever claim.
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Epic fail for the anti-SSM group then.
 
Jerry said:
I have no problem with the Lord telling me what to believe. He's the Lord, no one would know better than He.
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The Lord is in each and every one of us... that is the idea of God, not some guy telling you what to think. We are granted to ability to think for ourselves and interpret our own meanings of love and compassion.
 
Jerry said:
Why does the chess player move the Knight in one manner yet the Biship in another? Aren't all pieces equal?
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No, not all chess pieces are equal. Terrible analogy.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The Lord is in each and every one of us... that is the idea of God, not some guy telling you what to think. We are granted to ability to think for ourselves and interpret our own meanings of love and compassion.
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That's a very protestant take on theology.
 
Your Star said:
How so?

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When gay-marriage was under the table, the state could just reject the license application for not being filled out correctly.

As soon as the State passed a ban, they now have to defend that ban. The type of ban they passed is indefensible because it exposes itself to 2nd and/or 3rd tier Constitutional scrutiny. With a ban against a demographic, the State now has to demonstrate a harm caused by that demographic, which it can't.

All pro-SSM ever did was run around getting people worked up over equality, but they had no winning legal argument which could accomplish anything until the state banned gay-marriage.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
No, not all chess pieces are equal. Terrible analogy.
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Each piece is equal in value to every other piece.....they're just not the same.

We are told diferent things because we are not the same people. Because we are all equal, we are all guided to effect the same result: to win the game.
 
Jerry said:
Each piece is equal in value to every other piece.....they're just not the same.

We are told diferent things because we are not the same people. Because we are all equal, we are all guided to effect the same result: to win the game.
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The King is not equal to a pawn. The Queen also has special privileges.
 
Andalublue said:
That's a very protestant take on theology.
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Oh... well, it is just my take on it after being raised with no religion. That, and some of the findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls seemed to have affirmed this.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
The King is not equal to a pawn. The Queen also has special privileges.
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Correct, for if they were equal the game would be over once the first piece was captured no matter which one it was... King, pawn or Harry Potter
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
The King is not equal to a pawn. The Queen also has special privileges.
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Depends on if the pawn is part of a checkmate or manipulation to move the King. It's imposable to just line the pieces up and say "this one is worth more" because you have to account for where those pieces are in the game.

It's not the job of the pieces to make their own rules and do as they please, because the opponent on the other side of the table is a grandmaster while the pieces are, well, just pieces.

Like chess pieces, relationships are different.
 
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It is pretty much universally understood that the king and queen are the two most valuable pieces on the chess board. Ignore that all you like though...
 
Bodhisattva said:
It is pretty much universally understood that the king and queen are the two most valuable pieces on the chess board. Ignore that all you like though...
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Did you at least catch my answer to her question?
 
Bodhisattva said:
The Lord is in each and every one of us... that is the idea of God, not some guy telling you what to think.
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I said "believe", not "think". Very different meanings there.

Bodhisattva said:
We are granted to ability to think for ourselves and interpret our own meanings of love and compassion.
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We were also cursed with predictive behavioral patterns, negative influences and personality faults. You're point?
 
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