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Is This Going Too Far?

Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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X Factor said:
Oh bull****. It doesn't teach that at all. Besides, I thought you all believed that teaching abstinence is just silly and outdated.
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You've got to be kidding. I'VE taught sex ed before. Abstinence is certainly part of any comprehensive sex ed program.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I have no problems at all with adoption.

I prefer it, support it and encourage it.

Even for gays.

Do you support the right for gays to marry and adopt unwanted and unloved children?
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No, I believe children need role both male and female roll models. I'm not a member of the "any warm body will do" crowd. Sorry.
 
Dutch said:
My position, and definition of pro-life is simple. I'm not responsible for your lack of comprehension skills. :mrgreen:
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Your definition is inaccurate. I am not responsible for your inability to comprehend the meanings of terms.

You want to play THIS way? You don't stand a chance.
 
Dutch said:
No, I believe children need role both male and female roll models. I'm not a member of the "any warm body will do" crowd. Sorry.
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neither is anybody else:roll:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You've got to be kidding. I'VE taught sex ed before. Abstinence is certainly part of any comprehensive sex ed program.
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Oh, I don't doubt it gets a mention. I just think it gets lost somewhere along the lines. It just seems to me that telling kids they're going to have sex anyway just teaches them what we expect of them.
 
X Factor said:
Oh, I don't doubt it gets a mention. I just think it gets lost somewhere along the lines. It just seems to me that telling kids they're going to have sex anyway just teaches them what we expect of them.
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That is why I documented the fact that this is not true.
 
Dutch said:
No, I believe children need role both male and female roll models. I'm not a member of the "any warm body will do" crowd. Sorry.
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We COULD get back into this discussion, but probably wouldn't be a good idea since you were so soundly defeated last time you tried.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You've got to be kidding. I'VE taught sex ed before. Abstinence is certainly part of any comprehensive sex ed program.
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I had it in high school. It consisted of just about one sentence about abstinence and several days worth of posters, a couple of how to videos, and time spent putting condoms on bannanas. In the end it was all pretty much wasted effort. I found a prostitute in tiajuana. After several rounds of antibiotics everything turned out just fine........I started dating only girls who used the pill.
 
Dutch said:
right, an unemployment rate of some 4-5% is considered full unemployment because at least that many of any given population will choose not to work. Yeah, I'm familiar with that but what, pray tell, does that have to do my theory of whether we should go back to producing our own citizens or continue robbing mexico of hers?
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Because our unemployment would have to be atleast at that(which isn't the case) for your theory to make sense. Because if we didn't have enough workers to supply business with all the jobs our economy provided, and then had to rely on Mexican workers to fill those jobs, then maybe your theory would make sense. But that is not the case, and the cause of illegal immigration is not abortion. It is because our country is better then Mexico.
 
X Factor said:
Oh, I don't doubt it gets a mention. I just think it gets lost somewhere along the lines. It just seems to me that telling kids they're going to have sex anyway just teaches them what we expect of them.
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It is usually a good idea to NOT inaccurately describe something. You saw Redress's post. THAT is how abstinence is presented in comprehensive sex ed... and that's how I taught it. Prominently. I understand that you would PREFER it to be different, because that would help your position, but your perception is not accurate in this matter.
 
X Factor said:
Oh, I don't doubt it gets a mention. I just think it gets lost somewhere along the lines. It just seems to me that telling kids they're going to have sex anyway just teaches them what we expect of them.
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What classes teaches that? I think your giving your wording some home cooking;)

Im not familiar with any sex ed class that says well kids we know you gonna do this anyway sooooooo . . . .

The one I took in school certainly didnt YEARS ago and the one my kid took no doesnt. No of course thats just two but im just saying
 
X Factor said:
Oh, I don't doubt it gets a mention. I just think it gets lost somewhere along the lines. It just seems to me that telling kids they're going to have sex anyway just teaches them what we expect of them.
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Kids don't need encouragement to have sex, their bodies are giving them enough encouragement already. Teaching them about sex comprehensively will only protect them. What is wrong with giving kids knowledge?
 
Dutch said:
I had it in high school. It consisted of just about one sentence about abstinence and several days worth of posters, a couple of how to videos, and time spent putting condoms on bannanas. In the end it was all pretty much wasted effort. I found a prostitute in tiajuana. After several rounds of antibiotics everything turned out just fine........I started dating only girls who used the pill.
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a) You're own anecdotal experience.
b) Sounds like, initially, you didn't learn anything. I'd imagine that your course didn't state that it was OK to have sex with a prostitute without wearing a condom.
c) After that you DID practice safe sex. Probably a combination of your experience and what you THEN remembered from school.
 
Dutch said:
I had it in high school. It consisted of just about one sentence about abstinence and several days worth of posters, a couple of how to videos, and time spent putting condoms on bannanas. In the end it was all pretty much wasted effort. I found a prostitute in tiajuana. After several rounds of antibiotics everything turned out just fine........I started dating only girls who used the pill.
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you dated and had sex with "pro-abortion girls" interesting?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
We COULD get back into this discussion, but probably wouldn't be a good idea since you were so soundly defeated last time you tried.
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I have no doubt you truly belive that. Tell me, did you ever provide any actual links to your "studies?" The last time I checked you hadn't. BTW, just when does being outnumbered in a discussion by a number of liberals/leftists who demand links but fail to provide any of their own constitute......defeat? My beliefs are my own and not subject to your approval no matter how fond of yourself you may be.


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CaptainCourtesy said:
We COULD get back into this discussion, but probably wouldn't be a good idea since you were so soundly defeated last time you tried.
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Yeah I find it quite entertaining when people ignore this fact and like you said to another poster very inaccurately describe something as "any warm body will do"

Ill never understand why facts and logic are often ignored or met with disdain simply because of bias or a sheep like thought process? Weird:shrug:

Its almost as if some poster think ignore facts make them not true?
 
Dutch said:
I have no doubt you truly belive that. Tell me, did you ever provide any actual links to your "studies?" The last time I checked you hadn't.
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Absolutely did. You probably didn't see them because you turned tail and ran. Probably a good choice, as discretion is often the better part of valor.

BTW, just when does being outnumbered in a discussion by a number of liberals/leftists who demand links but fail to provide any of their own constitute......defeat? My beliefs are my own and not subject to your approval no matter how fond of yourself you may be.
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Your beliefs are not subject to anyone's approval. Doesn't alter that they are inaccurate and have no substantiation. If you want to have them anyway, you certainly have that right.
 
Your Star said:
Because our unemployment would have to be atleast at that(which isn't the case) for your theory to make sense. Because if we didn't have enough workers to supply business with all the jobs our economy provided, and then had to rely on Mexican workers to fill those jobs, then maybe your theory would make sense. But that is not the case, and the cause of illegal immigration is not abortion. It is because our country is better then Mexico.
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In point of fact mexican workers are filling jobs in america. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention.

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CaptainCourtesy said:
It is usually a good idea to NOT inaccurately describe something. You saw Redress's post. THAT is how abstinence is presented in comprehensive sex ed... and that's how I taught it. Prominently. I understand that you would PREFER it to be different, because that would help your position, but your perception is not accurate in this matter.
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I guess my experience in sex ed was a lot like Dutch's (minus the prostitute). I remember abstinance was treated as if it was this outdated joke.
 
Dutch said:
In point of fact mexican workers are filling jobs in america. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention.

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They are getting jobs in American, I am not denying that, but it is not because of abortion. It is because they will work for less then minimum wage, and because crappy companies will hire them to increase their bottom line.
 
X Factor said:
I guess my experience in sex ed was a lot like Dutch's (minus the prostitute). I remember abstinance was treated as if it was this outdated joke.
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Captain can correct me if Im wrong because I maybe but I believe he was referring more to you saying its bad for sex ed to teach "well we know you are going to do this anyway" and thats what he wanted addressed

but I could be totally wrong
 
Centrist77 said:
What classes teaches that? I think your giving your wording some home cooking;)

Im not familiar with any sex ed class that says well kids we know you gonna do this anyway sooooooo . . . .

The one I took in school certainly didnt YEARS ago and the one my kid took no doesnt. No of course thats just two but im just saying
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Centrist, I'm just saying, there's a fine line between teaching kids something just in case they have sex and teaching them they're just not normal if they fail to.
 
X Factor said:
I guess my experience in sex ed was a lot like Dutch's (minus the prostitute). I remember abstinance was treated as if it was this outdated joke.
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OK. That's a shame. Abstinence is an important part of any comprehensive sex education program. I haven't taught sex ed. in about 15 years or so, but even nowadays, when I counsel teens, I always include abstinence as an important choice.
 
Your Star said:
They are getting jobs in American, I am not denying that, but it is not because of abortion. It is because they will work for less then minimum wage, and because crappy companies will hire them to increase their bottom line.
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BINGO!
and they take jobs americans dont want
and they take temporary jobs
etc etc
 
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