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Is This Going Too Far?

Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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CaptainCourtesy said:
OK then. Anti-choice it is.

Oh, and how can you be pro-life if you support the killing of a baby in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother's life?Like I told Dutch, you start screwing with definitions, ultimately, it will be you who gets screwed.
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Oh, I dunno, could it just be that since incest, rape, and mother's life accounts for something like 2-5% of those 50 million dead you are actually preserving the lives of tens of millions of people? Couldn't that qualify you as still being pro-life as opposed to abortion propoents. Donja' think?
 
Dutch said:
Oh, I dunno, could it just be that since incest, rape, and mother's life accounts for something like 2-5% of those 50 million dead you are actually preserving the lives of tens of millions of people? Couldn't that qualify you as still being pro-life as opposed to abortion propoents. Donja' think?
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Oh well than I'm 100% pro-life since I want to preserve or improve to QUALITY of life - and reduce the QUANTATY of suffering in people's lives by permitting them control over their reproduction and birth rates.

Awesome

I am now in the pro-life crowd. . . lemme go get a license plate.
 
StillBallin75 said:
AHAHAHAHA i've never heard that one before lmfao.
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sadly I HAVE
LUCKILY it wasnt me that thought so! :)

I remember the dumb stuff I and others thought when I was young and I hear it now since I coach and invlove myself with a couple youth programs, its funny but yet sad/crazy.
 
Dutch said:
Oh, I dunno, could it just be that since incest, rape, and mother's life accounts for something like 2-5% of those 50 million dead you are actually preserving the lives of tens of millions of people? Couldn't that qualify you as still being pro-life as opposed to abortion propoents. Donja' think?
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Nope. You are advocating the killing of innocent babies. THEY didn't have anything to do with the rape, or the incest, and why is it that the mother's life is more important than theirs?

Like I said. You want to screw with definitions? This is what will occur.
 
Redress said:
People also ignore that comprehensive sex ed also includes teaching that abstinence is superior. Comprehensive just goes beyond that as well with more information.
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Yep, abstinence is the only way to 100% not get pregnant, or get STI's, AIDS. It's sad people don't realize that since we live in the real world, and our desire to have sex is one of the most basic, and powerful impulse we have, and kids are !00% going to have sex, we should prepare them for that so they can protect themselves.
 
Redress said:
People also ignore that comprehensive sex ed also includes teaching that abstinence is superior. Comprehensive just goes beyond that as well with more information.
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Oh bull****. It doesn't teach that at all. Besides, I thought you all believed that teaching abstinence is just silly and outdated.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Nope. You are advocating the killing of innocent babies. THEY didn't have anything to do with the rape, or the incest, and why is it that the mother's life is more important than theirs?

Like I said. You want to screw with definitions? This is what will occur.
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Because it is the mother who has to carry the child, birth the child - and if she doesn't give hte child up for adoption - it is her responsible to support the child until the child is on their own 18 years or so later.

That's a tall glass to force someone to drink alone when it takes two to tango.

Unless you're willing to force men into being equal-partners and pull the weight of their decisions.
 
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X Factor said:
Oh bull****. It doesn't teach that at all. Besides, I thought you all believed that teaching abstinence is just silly and outdated.
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It does, and teaching abstinence ONLY is silly and outdated. And besides what is bad with comprehensive sex education?
 
Your Star said:
It does, and teaching abstinence ONLY is silly and outdated. And besides what is bad with comprehensive sex education?
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Because they might KNOW something.
*gee* apparently teaching people things is bad - bad bad!
 
Centrist77 said:
of course because people are GOING to have sex no matter what but not teaching them just lets them play russian roulette with sex and believe silly things like "if you do it in a pool/tub/water you wont get pregnant
and "if the girl is on top its safe"

people make the false claim that if you educate them the amount of kids doing it will go up exponentially but it never does, what it does do, is those kids that were going to do it anyway now at least have a clue how to be safe even though may choose to ignore it

full education is logically better
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No? Instances of STDs and teen pregnancies are not up from, say, 30 years ago since we started teaching kids that they're going to have sex anyway?
 
Your Star said:
It does, and teaching abstinence ONLY is silly and outdated. And besides what is bad with comprehensive sex education?
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Look around, Star. The sex ed that's happening now is not working.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Oh - so you prefer to use the poor populace to do the hard and unskilled labor that no one else wants to do, hmm?
So pro-life is really about population propulsion, not living quality?

In your view we'd be no better off than China or Russia.
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In my time I've been a; bartender, oilfield worker, sailor, steel plant worker, I worked a chemical plant in brazos county texas, chicken plant worker, I turned gloves inside out at a glove factory, been a salesman and I've worked more restaurants than I care to remember. I don't have a problem with hard work. The fact of the matter is if one is alive, one can make choices about what it is one wants to do. If one is dead.......

As an aside why would it be better for us to hire our crappy jobs out to mexicans rather than doing it ourselves? My parents picked cotten when they were young. My mother was a fruit picker up north when I was conceived. I just happened to come from a long line of people of meager means but not too damn proud to work for what they had.
 
X Factor said:
Oh bull****. It doesn't teach that at all. Besides, I thought you all believed that teaching abstinence is just silly and outdated.
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Wrong as I will document at the end of this post, and once again you try and tell others what their position is, and as always get it wrong. Teaching abstinence is important, but it is incomplete. If I want to know what I think, I will ask myself, I don't need you to make up ****.

http://www.healthyteennetwork.org/vertical/Sites/%7BB4D0CC76-CF78-4784-BA7C-5D0436F6040C%7D/uploads/%7B4C5F842E-E67A-4AC2-921B-287950431BD7%7D.PDF

The characteristics of an effective sexuality program include:
o Focusing on abstaining from sexual activity and/or using a form of contraception3
o Addressing social pressures to engage in sexual activity as well as refusal skills3
o Reducing sexual behaviors that lead to unintended pregnancy and STIs3
o Involving the participants in a manner that allows them to personalize the information3
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Aunt Spiker said:
Oh well than I'm 100% pro-life since I want to preserve or improve to QUALITY of life - and reduce the QUANTATY of suffering in people's lives by permitting them control over their reproduction and birth rates.

Awesome

I am now in the pro-life crowd. . . lemme go get a license plate.
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While I have nothing against you advertising a pro-life stance you would be misleading people.
 
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X Factor said:
Look around, Star. The sex ed that's happening now is not working.
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Yes abstinence only sex ed does not work. In places where there is a comprehensive sex education, unwanted pregnancies are lower, as well are STI's.
 
X Factor said:
No? Instances of STDs and teen pregnancies are not up from, say, 30 years ago since we started teaching kids that they're going to have sex anyway?
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what does that have to do with my statement that people falsely claim that educating kids about sex will make the amount of kids having sex go up exponentially?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Nope. You are advocating the killing of innocent babies. THEY didn't have anything to do with the rape, or the incest, and why is it that the mother's life is more important than theirs?

Like I said. You want to screw with definitions? This is what will occur.
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My position, and definition of pro-life is simple. I'm not responsible for your lack of comprehension skills. :mrgreen:
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Because it is the mother who has to carry the child, birth the child - and if she doesn't give hte child up for adoption - it is her responsible to support the child until the child is on their own 18 years or so later.

That's a tall glass to force someone to drink alone when it takes two to tango.

Unless you're willing to force men into being equal-partners and pull the weight of their decisions.
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You are aware babies command a high price on todays adoption market aren't you? Adoption is a very real alternative to killing.
 
Your Star said:
I know supply, and demand pretty well, and for your scenario to work it would mean that the unemployment rate in this country would always have to be at natural unemployment( where everyone who wants a job has a job) and well that obviously isn't the case.
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I have no idea what you mean by "natural unemployment." would you please explain it.
 
Dutch said:
They're coming here for jobs. Jobs they are getting btw. As for my argument "makes no sense" in order for you to comprehend it you would have to accept the capitalist ideas of supply and demand. We have a demand for workers and mexico, not us, has a supply of workers. Had we not had roe v wade we'd pretty much have all the workers we needed.
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Centrist77 said:
yeah lets just be very narrow sighted and leave out that these immigrants get jobs because they work under the table for very low wadges and commonly do jobs Americans DONT want, not to mention these business dont have to pay taxes or health care for the majority of them

shhhhhhhhh we'll just ignore that common sense and logic because if you comprehend capitalism its a non-factor:doh

yep without all those abortions we would have just made Americans that would ALSO work under the table for less than minimum wadge, no health care and do jobs that the majority of Americans DONT want, thats brilliant:lamo
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Dutch said:
You are aware babies command a high price on todays adoption market aren't you? Adoption is a very real alternative to killing.
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100% FALSE
adoption is just ONE of many choices that is available and NOT a real alternative if everybody did adoption instead of abortion
 
Dutch said:
You are aware babies command a high price on todays adoption market aren't you? Adoption is a very real alternative to killing.
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I have no problems at all with adoption.

I prefer it, support it and encourage it.

Even for gays.

Do you support the right for gays to marry and adopt unwanted and unloved children?
 
Your Star said:
Natural unemployment rate

Here you go, it's basic economics.
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right, an unemployment rate of some 4-5% is considered full unemployment because at least that many of any given population will choose not to work. Yeah, I'm familiar with that but what, pray tell, does that have to do my theory of whether we should go back to producing our own citizens or continue robbing mexico of hers?

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