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Is This Going Too Far?

Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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Dutch said:
You mean living in a country that doesn't represent your values? I know the feeling.
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No, that is completely and totally not even remotely like what I mean.
 
Redress said:
Pro-life actually is the same as pro-death, since many women would die from back alley abortions. I think they should embrace the term.
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There were be a lot fewer of that than there are babies aborted every year. And for back alley abortionists, I'd be all for rooting them out and locking them up.
 
Dutch said:
You mean living in a country that doesn't represent your values? I know the feeling.
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Just like I love my country, but I can't accept the fact that it has been responsible for many foreign policy blunders that have gotten innocent people killed, and where our leaders said to us that the ends justified the means but that that was pure BS? Yeah, we all know the feeling. Welcome to America Dutch!
 
Redress said:
Pro-life actually is the same as pro-death, since many women would die from back alley abortions. I think they should embrace the term.
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I disagree. "Pro-lifers" are not saying anything about death, really. What they ARE doing, however, is stating "there is no choice". Anti-choicers is the correct terminology. IMO.
 
Dutch said:
You mean living in a country that doesn't represent your values? I know the feeling.
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My country doesn't have to represent my values, I do that myself just fine. What my country should do is provide the best place for people to live so that they may practice there personal value system without government interference. You know, freedom, and personal choice, those things.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think her argument makes sense to me. But you are entitled to your opinion and she is entitled to hers, and it sounds to me like this point neither of you is going to change the others' mind so why don't you debate her position rather than what to call it.
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Of course it does, you're both american liberals/leftists. Of course for a guy like me I couldn't disagree with either of you more.
 
jamesrage said:
That is a retarded argument for wanting abortion to be legal from a pro-life/anti-abortion perspective. Do you know why it is a retarded argument from a pro-life/anti-abortion perspective. Its because of the fact we as pro-lifers/anti-abortionist think the child the woman is carrying is equal to one outside the womb and deserves legal protection and that abortion should be treated just like murder. So the idea a woman should be legally allowed to kill her own child in order for it to be as safe as possible for her to kill her own child is laughable and idiotic.
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The effect on society of having a fetus terminated isn't as bad as having women killed by back ally abortions.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think her argument makes sense to me. But you are entitled to your opinion and she is entitled to hers, and it sounds to me like this point neither of you is going to change the others' mind so why don't you debate her position rather than what to call it.
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Again saying I'm pro-choice but not pro-abortion makes as much sense as saying I own a glock 19 but I do not own a gun. If you have a problem with the term call up websters dictionary and other dictionary companies to change the definition of pro-abortion from one who supports legalized abortion to one who advocated abortion or one who has an abortion.
 
X Factor said:
Who's talking about reducing the rate of drunk driving. We're not talking about reducing the rate of abortion right? Isn't the argument that people should make their own moral choices?

Sorry, SB, I just don't buy this. Making drugs legal would make them more readily available, not less.
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I happen to agree with your position. But there are people who believe that legalization of abortion is the lesser of two evils.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I disagree. "Pro-lifers" are not saying anything about death, really. What they ARE doing, however, is stating "there is no choice". Anti-choicers is the correct terminology. IMO.
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Well, pro-choice really only means choices they agree with.;)
 
Your Star said:
The effect on society of having a fetus terminated isn't as bad as having women killed by back ally abortions.
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The life of an innocent human being is far more valuable than one who is not innocent. A woman trying to kill her child is not innocent, therefore no ill effect on society if she loses her life. I would even go as far to say that one who deliberately tries to take an innocent child's life has the same value as a cockroach.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
So are the effects of legalized alcohol. So you think we're really controlling who can get it? Are there still alcohol related problems?
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Yes, we are. Let me give you an example, if a group of my friends say "hey lets get alcohol", but realize that their friend who is 21 isn't there, then they can't get it. But if they say "hey lets get weed, all it takes is a phone call." Prohibition does not make drugs less accessible.
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X Factor said:
There were be a lot fewer of that than there are babies aborted every year. And for back alley abortionists, I'd be all for rooting them out and locking them up.
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I think the point went over your head.
 
Your Star said:
The effect on society of having a fetus terminated isn't as bad as having women killed by back ally abortions.
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So, at what point in american history did we ever have 50 million women killed in back ally abortions over a period of some 40 years?
 
I find it odd that it is mostly the people without a uterus want to make laws for the people that have one. Why do men get a say at all in this matter?
 
jamesrage said:
Again saying I'm pro-choice but not pro-abortion makes as much sense as saying I own a glock 19 but I do not own a gun. If you have a problem with the term call up websters dictionary and other dictionary companies to change the definition of pro-abortion from one who supports legalized abortion to one who advocated abortion or one who has an abortion.
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I really don't give a **** what you call, or don't call it, and I sure has hell don't give a **** what Webster's defines as pro-abortion. Personally I am neither pro-abortion nor pro-choice. I am concerned with REALITY, not names. Why do you keep getting stuck on this? Neither of you are going to agree so just move on.
 
X Factor said:
Well, pro-choice really only means choices they agree with.;)
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No, pro-choice means just what it says: "pro-choice"... allowing one to have choices available. Anti-choice would be restricting the choices available. These sound like far more accurate terms, don't you think?
 
X Factor said:
Well, pro-choice really only means choices they agree with.;)
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Pro life really only means the lives they agree with.

See how stupid that sounds?
 
StillBallin75 said:
I really don't give a **** what you call, or don't call it, and I sure has hell don't give a **** what Webster's defines as pro-abortion. Personally I am neither pro-abortion nor pro-choice. I am concerned with REALITY, not names.
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You either support legalized about or you don't. There is no fence sitting on this.

Why do you keep getting stuck on this? Neither of you are going to agree so just move on.
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Why do you keep bringing this up?
 
Your Star said:
The effect on society of having a fetus terminated isn't as bad as having women killed by back ally abortions.
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I am not sure I agree with this actually. It is to a certain extent a real problem with legalized abortion, but it is not that big a problem.
 
Redress said:
I think the point went over your head.
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Not at all. A baby dies in every legal abortion we have right now. Not every woman who would have an abortion now, would get one if it was illegal and even fewer would actually die from back ally abortions even if they sought one out. The baby doesn't get the benefit those kind of odds.
 
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Dutch said:
Of course it does, you're both american liberals/leftists. Of course for a guy like me I couldn't disagree with either of you more.
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Way to create a straw man Dutch. The previous discussion wasn't even about abortion, it was about what to call someone. I have already stated my position on abortion in post #92 and it's pretty far from the "liberal/leftist" party line.
 
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X Factor said:
Yes, we are. Let me give you an example, if a group of my friends say "hey lets get alcohol", but realize that their friend who is 21 isn't there, then they can't get it. But if they say "hey lets get weed, all it takes is a phone call." Prohibition does not make drugs less accessible.
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Lousy comparison. It's not all that hard to get people to buy alcohol for you. When I was a kid my friends and I would simply hang around a 7/11 and ask folks to buy us beer. We never failed to score.
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