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Why do "pro-life" people prefer that label to "anti-abortion rights"?
I could care less if you call me pro-life or anti-abortion.
Why do "pro-life" people prefer that label to "anti-abortion rights"?
It's not my fault that you can't understand what I am saying to you is that I don't personally support abortion, and that your definition doesn't trump my personal beliefs.
That is not my definition. I do not own the dictionary companies nor am I on any board who decided what word means what.It is a fact that pro-abortion means one who supports legalized abortion. That definition does not say that you have to run out and have one or recommend that every one get one.
Why do "pro-life" people prefer that label to "anti-abortion rights"?
Part of debate is presenting facts. Going "Oh I do not like this definition so I am just going to make up my own" is not a good debate tactic.
For the same reason "pro-choice" people prefer that to "pro-abortion." It's inherently better to be "pro" something and "anti" something.
Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?The only thing you are demonstrating here is that you don't have the capacity to understand nuance, and only see the world in black, and white. Also you are assuming why I am pro-choice is because I think abortion should be a right, which couldn't be further from the truth.
The only thing you are demonstrating here is that you don't have the capacity to understand nuance, and only see the world in black, and white. Also you are assuming why I am pro-choice is because I think abortion should be a right, which couldn't be further from the truth.
Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
She says she believes the act itself is wrong. Most choicers say that. Seems very contradictory to me.I don't think she believes allowing people to make moral decisions for themselves is wrong.
I don't think she believes allowing people to make moral decisions for themselves is wrong.
Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
Because the societal effect of having abortion illegal is worse than the society effect of having it legal. Also having abortion legal does not necessarily say abortion is okay, or right, it just gives people the choice to have that option. Hence the term pro-choice. And when you are dealing with laws it is best to look at the society effect the law will make, not if you personally disagree with it. I've discussed this with you before.
Not sure about that. I'm anti-initiating-wars-of-aggression-in-the-middle-east. I'm not pro-let's-not-spread-freedom-and-democracy-with-armed-force-wherever-we-choose-to.
What about standing up for what you think is right?Because the societal effect of having abortion illegal is worse than the society effect of having it legal. Also having abortion legal does not necessarily say abortion is okay, or right, it just gives people the choice to have that option. Hence the term pro-choice. And when you are dealing with laws it is best to look at the society effect the law will make, not if you personally disagree with it. I've discussed this with you before.
Oh, the same arguments in favor of abortion are indeed used for legalizing drugs. They usually come down to, "well, people are going to do it anyway."I think the same could be said of many people who are for the legalization of MJ, even if they personally believe doing drugs is wrong. Your analogy is perhaps better than mine lol.
Because the societal effect of having abortion illegal is worse than the society effect of having it legal. Also having abortion legal does not necessarily say abortion is okay, or right, it just gives people the choice to have that option. Hence the term pro-choice. And when you are dealing with laws it is best to look at the society effect the law will make, not if you personally disagree with it. I've discussed this with you before.
Oh, the same arguments in favor of abortion are indeed used for legalizing drugs. They usually come down to, "well, people are going to do it anyway."
Do you actually know anyone like this? Most firearm phobics do want to take guns away from everybody.X, let's put it this way.
I'm not one of these people, but let's just say hypothetically I believe that all guns are inherently evil and nobody should have a gun. But I'm not going to support repeal of the 2nd amendment because I also believe those people have their own belief systems and their own rights and own peculiar situations, in which a gun might be necessary.
Oh, the same arguments in favor of abortion are indeed used for legalizing drugs. They usually come down to, "well, people are going to do it anyway."
She says she believes the act itself is wrong. Most choicers say that. Seems very contradictory to me.
See, SB, I think the "people are going to do it anyway" argument is a terrible one. People will continue to drive drunk too, so should we just make it legal?Same with guns, as I said before. One could believe guns are completely evil, yet if one supports banning guns you would have a thriving black market with no controls, very probably leading to even more violence.
Which makes her pro-abortion.If your pro-gay marriage does not mean you have to run out and engage in same sex relations? Does being pro-2nd amendment mean that you have to run out and buy a gun? Does owning a gun mean that you are pro-2nd amendment? You can be a proponent of something and not have to partake in what you are a proponent of.FACT: Your Star has stated that she believes abortion should be legalized.
FACT: Your Star has stated that she personally would never get one (and i'm pretty sure she probably won't need one unless she wants to do artificial insemination or something like that).
Let's just start there, rather than whatever label or name you want to apply to her position, because names are just that: names. Let's start with reality first.