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Is This Going Too Far?

Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?


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Why? In the date rape case a woman is raped, just like a non date rape victim is raped. Plain and simple. And in the statutory rape case a young girl is manipulated by an older man to have sex with her, and isn't in her right mind.

That's why I said I was on the fence. As for statutory rape, it is usually consensual. How old exactly are most statutory rape victims? 15? If you can't "be in your right mind" and are easily "manipulated" at fifteen you aren't gonna get very far in life. As always abortion is a way to treat the symptom, and not the cause.
 
He was talking about how this country is divided, and how compromise will never be an expected outcome in America anymore, and using this as an example of how we are from different cultures, and how our lifestyles can't be compatible. Which is a much broader topic than what this thread is about.

.....and yet this explains the difference of opinion about paying for abortions, for any reason. I cannot accept the federal government using my monies to pay for any abortion, for any reason.
 
Of course it's too far, if someone drugs me at a pub, and I wake up pregnant, I'll want a tax-payer funded abortion. Of course, that scenario is unrealistic, as where I live has legal abortions up to 24 weeks covered under socialist healthcare anyway.
 
That's why I said I was on the fence. As for statutory rape, it is usually consensual. How old exactly are most statutory rape victims? 15? If you can't "be in your right mind" and are easily "manipulated" at fifteen you aren't gonna get very far in life. As always abortion is a way to treat the symptom, and not the cause.

May I ask why you are on the fence about it? And while yes I agree it is usually "consensual" in the sense that both parties agree to it, but it isn't legally consensual since one member is a minor.
And yes I do agree that abortion is a symptom of the horrible state of our sexual education system, and the best way to stop abortions from happening is to give everyone a comprehensive sexual education. None of this letting parents sign a form to get their kids out of it crap.
 
Of course it's too far, if someone drugs me at a pub, and I wake up pregnant, I'll want a tax-payer funded abortion. Of course, that scenario is unrealistic, as where I live has legal abortions up to 24 weeks covered under socialist healthcare anyway.

The way it ought to be :)
 
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I appreciate both your support and stance here. It's very considerate. However, I need to go on record about abortion. I don't consider it murder. I consider it state sanctioned killing. It's a small but important difference.

No matter what you consider it, I believe it is still wrong to force you to support, though your taxes, a political position that you feel so strongly against.

And no, it's not being considerate. It's being American. :)
 
No matter what you consider it, I believe it is still wrong to force you to support, though your taxes, a political position that you feel so strongly against.

And no, it's not being considerate. It's being American. :)

Well if you take that stance then we can't spend tax money on anything because there is nothing 100% of us agree on.
 
That's what this post and poll is about "FUNDING", so yes it's about dollars and cents. :roll: No one's claiming abortion police and you've got no data it would be a black hole of any kind. That's a Red Herring as you're arguing how something would be, which doesn't yet exist. It comes down to personal responsibility and the concept that the general tax payer is not and should not be responsible to pay for two individuals mistakes or misdeeds.

What about that concept is confusing you?

I can appreciate that you want to see a woman punished for choosing to have sex, but this thread is about rape. This is NOT "two individuals mistakes or misdeeds." Our society has failed to protect the woman/girl, now some want to not even pay for the abortion to set things right again. And again, this is only for POOR women, this is not for the general population.
 
The simple fact is, whether we like it or not, the very nature of being in a society means the society we are a part of is going to do things we do not like. We have to be mature enough to take the good for good though.

I appreciate you point. However, I didn't get to vote for the roe v wade decision. This is a question of whether the federal government represents it's citizens, or not. I don't want my monies used for abortion.
 
I appreciate you point. However, I didn't get to vote for the roe v wade decision. This is a question of whether the federal government represents it's citizens, or not. I don't want my monies used for abortion.

In this case, it both represents its citizens and does not represent its citizens which falls back to my original point. Nobody (except for a dictator) has the luxury of forcing society to be what they want it to be, the best we can do is fight for our beliefs and convince others of the rightness of it.
 
I can appreciate that you want to see a woman punished for choosing to have sex, but this thread is about rape. This is NOT "two individuals mistakes or misdeeds." Our society has failed to protect the woman/girl, now some want to not even pay for the abortion to set things right again. And again, this is only for POOR women, this is not for the general population.

And this is an issue that belongs to the states, not the Federal government. Live in Mississippi and want abortion? Move to California. Live in California and don't want to pay for a woman's abortion? Move to Mississippi. It's that simple.
 
I appreciate you point. However, I didn't get to vote for the roe v wade decision. This is a question of whether the federal government represents it's citizens, or not. I don't want my monies used for abortion.

The way our system works, you weren't supposed to vote for that, the SCOTUS is a vital part of our counties system of government.
 
Now you see the problems inherent with multi-culturalism.

Multiple cultures is likely a natural result of having a society with any level of freedom for the citizenry.
 
May I ask why you are on the fence about it? And while yes I agree it is usually "consensual" in the sense that both parties agree to it, but it isn't legally consensual since one member is a minor.
And yes I do agree that abortion is a symptom of the horrible state of our sexual education system, and the best way to stop abortions from happening is to give everyone a comprehensive sexual education. None of this letting parents sign a form to get their kids out of it crap.

I'm pretty liberal on most things but I guess I'm rather conservative on the issue of abortion. I don't believe that abortion should be performed except under extreme circumstances, and I REALLY don't believe that taxpayers' money should be used to fund abortions except under even more extreme circumstances.

Let's put it this way. Getting date-raped is always an small possibility when you go to a club, a bar, whatever. That's just the inherent risk, and people have to know stepping into that club that there's a very small chance someone might take advantage of them, and get them pregnant. Getting pregnant might not be your fault, but it resulted because of a chain of decisions that you, yourself made. Why should the taxpayers be funding money for your indiscretions?

Just like every time I drive out onto the streets, I know there is a chance, however minuscule, that I might get into a car accident. Even if the accident isn't my fault, I still have to pay insurance, and in some cases I might have to pay for damages out of pocket. It does not entitle me to a free car repair from the federal government.
 
That's why I said I was on the fence. As for statutory rape, it is usually consensual. How old exactly are most statutory rape victims? 15? If you can't "be in your right mind" and are easily "manipulated" at fifteen you aren't gonna get very far in life. As always abortion is a way to treat the symptom, and not the cause.

If you believe a 15-year-old is perfectly capable of consenting to sex, then you surely must be opposed to parental notification or parental consent laws, right?
 
In this case, it both represents its citizens and does not represent its citizens which falls back to my original point. Nobody (except for a dictator) has the luxury of forcing society to be what they want it to be, the best we can do is fight for our beliefs and convince others of the rightness of it.

I'd say the american left is doing a pretty good job of doing just that.
 
I'd say the american left is doing a pretty good job of doing just that.

Than you suffer from the problem of thinking your stance is the neutral position. Nobody's is.
 
Multiple cultures is likely a natural result of having a society with any level of freedom for the citizenry.

.....or in the case of abortion, the freedom to kill. What about the freedom to live? If we were a truly free society we'd have the freedom to live.
 
.....or in the case of abortion, the freedom to kill. What about the freedom to live? If we were a truly free society we'd have the freedom to live.

Your comment mises my point entirely. We do not live in a theocratic or autocratic society is what I mean.
 
I'm pretty liberal on most things but I guess I'm rather conservative on the issue of abortion. I don't believe that abortion should be performed except under extreme circumstances, and I REALLY don't believe that taxpayers' money should be used to fund abortions except under even more extreme circumstances.

Let's put it this way. Getting date-raped is always an small possibility when you go to a club, a bar, whatever. That's just the inherent risk, and people have to know stepping into that club that there's a very small chance someone might take advantage of them, and get them pregnant. Getting pregnant might not be your fault, but it resulted because of a chain of decisions that you, yourself made. Why should the taxpayers be funding money for your indiscretions?

ust like every time I drive out onto the streets, I know there is a chance, however minuscule, that I might get into a car accident. Even if the accident isn't my fault, I still have to pay insurance, and in some cases I might have to pay for damages out of pocket. It does not entitle me to a free car repair from the federal government.

Getting date raped is never the victims fault, and in no way should the victim be forced to carry the baby that wasn't her choosing in her body for 9 months. I don't like abortion, and think the person shouldn't choose abortion in cases of consensual sex, but I can totally see, and support a person in wanting to not be reminded of being violated, and possibly the worst moment of her life for 9 months.
 
Well if you take that stance then we can't spend tax money on anything because there is nothing 100% of us agree on.

Hey, guess what, folks? We have just solved the problem of Federal spending and deficits. :mrgreen:
 
Than you suffer from the problem of thinking your stance is the neutral position. Nobody's is.

No, I do not believe my stance is neutral. I think of myself as very biased, for my own culture, my own people. I'm very passionate about a number of issues. I'll leave the cold bloodedness to others.
 
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