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Who Won The Space Race?

Who Won The Space Race?

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celticwar17 said:
I actually just looked it up and it seems it "could" be interpreted that way because the Nazi German space agency decided to move to America to get positions at NASA and they were a huge part of NASA's team for the moon and the launch of the Saturn rockets for the Apollo Lunar Program.
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After world war 2, a group of German rocket scientists led by Wernher von Braun surrendered to the US army. They were taken back to the US and put to work designing missiles for nuclear weapon delivery systems. Von braun pointed out that some of the missile systems they were working on could be used to launch satellites, but until the Russians succeeded in launching the first satellite President Eisenhower refused to let them try.

The national origin of the scientists is irrelevant as they worked for the US at that point.
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
No, you're not allowed to re-write history and make such blatant lies.
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The blatant lie you talk about is is a fact, if you don't know history is your problem. "race to space" that is who gets to space first.
"race to the moon" that is who gets to the moon first.

"race to space" was won by the USSR as I posted a link from the BBC.

In case you don't know what the BBC is, it is the most reliable news broadcasting corporation in the world. The article is from 1961.

Who won space exploration overall? thats debatable, not who won the space race.
 
Blackdog said:
After world war 2, a group of German rocket scientists led by Wernher von Braun surrendered to the US army. They were taken back to the US and put to work designing missiles for nuclear weapon delivery systems. Von braun pointed out that some of the missile systems they were working on could be used to launch satellites, but until the Russians succeeded in launching the first satellite President Eisenhower refused to let them try.

The national origin of the scientists is irrelevant as they worked for the US at that point.
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The Russians had captured their own german rocketeers, too.
 
eaglestar said:
The blatant lie you talk about is is a fact, if you don't know history is your problem. "race to space" that is who gets to space first.
"race to the moon" that is who gets to the moon first.

"race to space" was won by the USSR as I posted a link from the BBC.

In case you don't know what the BBC is, it is the most reliable news broadcasting corporation in the world. The article is from 1961.

Who won space exploration overall? thats debatable, not who won the space race.
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The Mayor didn't expect you to admit you lied, it's true.

Meanwhile, the Space Race, as it was defined in the Sixties, was the race to put the first man on the moon. The Soviets lost that one.

While you're falsely claiming the "space race" was over in 1961, the fact of the matter was the the US, by your definintion, wasn't in the running at that time. There was no "race" in progress when Laika the dog was poisoned by her Soviet flight controllers (it was the humane thing to do, she wasn't coming back down). The "race" to put "men in space" wasn't even a contest, that was like calling a drag event down Colorado Boulevard between a Corvette and a Chevette a race, when the Chevette driver was busy digging in his glove box for a smoke when the light turned green and barely noticed the 'vette in the first place.

The Space Race was the race to the moon, when both parties were aware of the objective and both were working to achieve it with the awareness that a competition was in progress. The Russians certainly thought they were in a race to the moon.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
No one has won yet, the freaking finish line is light years away. :cool:
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No. The finish line is 225,000 miles away. The nation that controls the moon's water controls the moon. The nation that controls the moon controls all the planets in the Solar System.

The Earth is one of eight planets.
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
No. The finish line is 225,000 miles away. The nation that controls the moon's water controls the moon. The nation that controls the moon controls all the planets in the Solar System.

The Earth is one of eight planets.
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How do you figure? First of all, how does one control the moon, and then how does that allow you to dominate the rest of the solar system?
 
eaglestar said:
The blatant lie you talk about is is a fact, if you don't know history is your problem. "race to space" that is who gets to space first.
"race to the moon" that is who gets to the moon first.

"race to space" was won by the USSR as I posted a link from the BBC.

In case you don't know what the BBC is, it is the most reliable news broadcasting corporation in the world. The article is from 1961.

Who won space exploration overall? thats debatable, not who won the space race.
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The BBC has some issues then...

The Americans won the race to the Moon when Neil Armstrong set foot on the lunar surface in 1969.

That single act trumped the Soviet achievement of sending the first man into space eight years earlier. But what might have happened if the Soviet Union had got to the Moon first?

The first manned lunar landing was a triumph for Nasa, and when the Americans won the Space Race, they also sounded its death knell. - BBC News - What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?
 
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Blackdog said:
The BBC has some issues then...

The Americans won the race to the Moon when Neil Armstrong set foot on the lunar surface in 1969.

That single act trumped the Soviet achievement of sending the first man into space eight years earlier. But what might have happened if the Soviet Union had got to the Moon first?

The first manned lunar landing was a triumph for Nasa, and when the Americans won the Space Race, they also sounded its death knell. - BBC News - What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?
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Well said by the BBC, your fish brain didn't read properly: I will write it again so you see the difference: "The Americans won the race to the Moon"
Not the race to space.

The issues are in your reading skill, not the BBC.

Like I said in my last posting:
The race to the space was won by the USSR
The race to the moon was won by the USA (if the USSR competed, otherwise there was no race)
Who won the OVERALL space exploration achievements to date, that is debatable.
 
eaglestar said:


Well said by the BBC, your fish brain didn't read properly: I will write it again so you see the difference: "The Americans won the race to the Moon"
Not the race to space.

The issues are in your reading skill, not the BBC.

Like I said in my last posting:
The race to the space was won by the USSR
The race to the moon was won by the USA (if the USSR competed, otherwise there was no race)
Who won the OVERALL space exploration achievements to date, that is debatable.
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It's funny that I even highlighted the places in the article (with source link) from the BBC that say...

The Americans won the race to the Moon when Neil Armstrong set foot on the lunar surface in 1969.

The first manned lunar landing was a triumph for Nasa, and when the Americans won the Space Race, they also sounded its death knell. - BBC News - What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?

I pointed out the BBC has issues in that both story's say the opposite from the exact same source.

And you say I have a reading comprehension problem? :lol:
 
Blackdog said:
I pointed out the BBC has issues in that both story's say the opposite from the exact same source.

And you say I have a reading comprehension problem? :lol:
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The one you sent is a hypothetical article. Thats why the tittle is: What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?

Furthermore, the link I posted was written in 1961. What the many people do is to pretend the race to the moon was the race space. For that matter I will make it official, the race to space doesn't end until we reach the furthest particle ejected from the big bag. Is this fair? No, you cannot extend the race to space to match your own accomplishments.

Race to space = Won by USSR
Race to the moon = Won by USA
Race to mars = Not won yet, very likely China or the European union, maybe USA

Most accomplishments in space exploration = that is debatable.

Its a fact man, its not debatable.
 
eaglestar said:
The one you sent is a hypothetical article. Thats why the tittle is: What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?
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So what? This has nothing to do with the fact it says the US one the space race.

eaglestar said:
Furthermore, the link I posted was written in 1961. What the many people do is to pretend the race to the moon was the race space. For that matter I will make it official, the race to space doesn't end until we reach the furthest particle ejected from the big bag. Is this fair? No, you cannot extend the race to space to match your own accomplishments.
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I don't care what other people said or think. The cold war and space race between the former Soviet Union and the US was won by the US. I am not talking about the "race into space" I am talking about the whole "space race."

The Americans won the race to the Moon when Neil Armstrong set foot on the lunar surface in 1969.

That single act trumped the Soviet achievement of sending the first man into space eight years earlier. - BBC News - What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?

eaglestar said:
Race to space = Won by USSR
Race to the moon = Won by USA
Race to mars = Not won yet, very likely China or the European union, maybe USA
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The space race is allot of events culminating with the Apollo missions.

he first manned lunar landing was a triumph for Nasa, and when the Americans won the Space Race, they also sounded its death knell. - BBC News - What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?

eaglestar said:
Most accomplishments in space exploration = that is debatable.

Its a fact man, its not debatable.
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Because you are trying to say "the race into space" = "space race" when this is not the case.
 
Blackdog said:
Because you are trying to say "the race into space" = "space race" when this is not the case.
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Thats a whole different debate. I take the words as stated, I believe in the meaning of words as stated in dictionaries.
Also I am not debating who won the Cold war, this is also a fact, the USA did.
 
eaglestar said:
Thats a whole different debate. I take the words as stated, I believe in the meaning of words as stated in dictionaries.
Also I am not debating who won the Cold war, this is also a fact, the USA did.
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The title of this thread is "who won the space race" not "who won the race into space."
 
Blackdog said:
The title of this thread is "who won the space race" not "who won the race into space."
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...and this the reality is that no one has won anything concerning space. There has been a few tiny advances...

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Maximus Zeebra said:
...and this the reality is that no one has won anything concerning space. There has been a few tiny advances...

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If you are going to contribute, do that. If not, please troll someplace else.
 
Blackdog said:
If you are going to contribute, do that. If not, please troll someplace else.
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Ok, then you tell me instead of fighting over nothing with eaglestar, or petty fighting...

What constitutes actual success in space?
Where are we compared to where we need to be, and which nation is closest to that actual success...

Before you can actually start seeing it from this perspective, then you can keep bickering about Russia got there first and US got to the moon. The fact is still, we have no ability in space, our grandest success is near space and the cooperative International Space Station. This technology seems to be in infacy and very primitive. We have absolutely little control of what we are doing in space, and we have not managed to utilise space in any useful way except from satellites.

What do we want to do in space, what do we need to do in space and what do we need to avoid?

What kind of policies will lead to disaster and what kind of policies will foster eventual space success?

When thinking of all these things and a 1000 more. Where are we? Who is actual successfull in space?

In my opinion no one has succeeded in space, so no one has won the space race. The fastest way for everyone to loose in space is to militarise space. The best way to succeed is to foster private space use, and international national/supranational cooperation. But with all the pity nationalism and lack of success we had at earth, are we really ready to go to space?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Ok, then you tell me instead of fighting over nothing with eaglestar, or petty fighting...
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What "petty fighting" he tried to change the parameters of what was being said. I notice you did not reply to him in the manor you replied to me.

Ours was at least on topic. :mrgreen:

Maximus Zeebra said:
What constitutes actual success in space?
Where are we compared to where we need to be, and which nation is closest to that actual success...

Before you can actually start seeing it from this perspective, then you can keep bickering about Russia got there first and US got to the moon. The fact is still, we have no ability in space, our grandest success is near space and the cooperative International Space Station. This technology seems to be in infacy and very primitive. We have absolutely little control of what we are doing in space, and we have not managed to utilise space in any useful way except from satellites.

What do we want to do in space, what do we need to do in space and what do we need to avoid?

What kind of policies will lead to disaster and what kind of policies will foster eventual space success?

When thinking of all these things and a 1000 more. Where are we? Who is actual successfull in space?

In my opinion no one has succeeded in space, so no one has won the space race. The fastest way for everyone to loose in space is to militarise space. The best way to succeed is to foster private space use, and international national/supranational cooperation. But with all the pity nationalism and lack of success we had at earth, are we really ready to go to space?
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Everything you have mentioned has nothing to do with the space race of the 60's and 70's, nothing at all. That is the subject of this thread if you had not noticed.

So your argument is for a completely different thread and not even remotely related to this one.

If you want to discuss the future of space flight and where it needs to go, make a new thread.
 
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Blackdog said:
Everything you have mentioned has nothing to do with the space race of the 60's and 70's, nothing at all. That is the subject of this thread if you had not noticed.

So your argument is for a completely different thread and not even remotely related to this one.

If you want to discuss the future of space flight and where it needs to go, make a new thread.
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Ok, so the space race is over in your opinion?
 
America won. America always wins.
 
Actually, if the space race finished as Blackdog claims, then it was about equal. The US went to the moon, while Soviet built space stations that remained for decades, and even form part of todays ISS.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Ok, so the space race is over in your opinion?
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With the end of Soviet Russia and the moon landing, yes it is.

Much of what you mentioned including cooperation on a world scale is not one country vs another like the original race was.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Actually, if the space race finished as Blackdog claims, then it was about equal. The US went to the moon, while Soviet built space stations that remained for decades, and even form part of todays ISS.
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Not true.

The Americans won the race to the Moon when Neil Armstrong set foot on the lunar surface in 1969.

That single act trumped the Soviet achievement of sending the first man into space eight years earlier. But what might have happened if the Soviet Union had got to the Moon first?

The first manned lunar landing was a triumph for Nasa, and when the Americans won the Space Race, they also sounded its death knell. - BBC News - What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?[/
 
Ockham said:
Can you add a "This poll is stupid" option?
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The real answer isn't on here. Who won the space race? Every country that came after that leeched off the investments that the USSR and USA spent huge amounts of money on. There's something to be said about late commer's advantage.
 
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