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French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

What is better in analog situations?

  • Police will always flee

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  • Police will defend themselves

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  • No opinion

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Perhaps, but communism failed because it was a bad economic theory, not because they didn't believe in god, as Alfons would suggest, and besides, alot of people still did, it just wasnt sanctioned by the government, in fact as you know it was heavily discouraged :coffeepap

:shrug: he asked for an athiest regime; he got one. once you remove God as the author of our liberties abuse of those liberties inevitably follows. as Jefferson accurately predicted.

Ah no, my neighbour can believe what they want. And I can believe what I want. And we can get together, and just not talk about that. Have a good time.

no, that's a Western ideal; it's called the freedom of concience and the liberty of the individual. for you to insist that your neighbor not force your beliefs on you is - interestingly - you insisting that he accept your Western culture as his own.
 
:shrug: he asked for an athiest regime; he got one. once you remove God as the author of our liberties abuse of those liberties inevitably follows. as Jefferson accurately predicted.

You're kidding right? So there have never been abuses of liberties in predominantly Christian Countries? I mean, the people of Russia had no more, or less liberties under the Czar, and he basically had a state religion that was forced upon the people. Neither way is the answer. Religious regimes also have a history of being bad with civil liberties, look at Islamic Republics.

If you had a Christian Fundamentalist regime as alfons suggested, then no other religions would be allowed, and so there'd be no civil liberties.


no, that's a Western ideal; it's called the freedom of concience and the liberty of the individual. for you to insist that your neighbor not force your beliefs on you is - interestingly - you insisting that he accept your Western culture as his own.

Ok. So I force him to believe what he wants to believe. And let me be. Fair enough, I guess I'll have to force him to do that :coffeepap
 
I ask everyone this who brings up a thread like this.

Is Islam a problem for the West?

If so:

Whats your solution to the problem?

Mass Deportation?


I do not buy into the "leftie" crap as bought up by the original poster.....
IN Europe a problem exists. It exists here as well, just ask the 3,100 murdered in the World Trade Center.
Deportation is not the solution.
Understanding and tolerance and the truth are - on both sides of this matter.
 
I do not buy into the "leftie" crap as bought up by the original poster.....
IN Europe a problem exists. It exists here as well, just ask the 3,100 murdered in the World Trade Center.
Deportation is not the solution.
Understanding and tolerance and the truth are - on both sides of this matter.

That was a handful of nutjobs from Saudi Arabia. Muslim Americans hardly make it a matter of practice to fly planes into buildings. They don't really riot. Not really causing any problem. 1 attack 10 years ago which didn't kill as many people as cars do every year. They riot all the time in France.
 
You're kidding right? So there have never been abuses of liberties in predominantly Christian Countries?

who claimed that? certainly not. Christians are sinners by definition; that is, in fact, sort of one of the central tenets of our face.

If you had a Christian Fundamentalist regime as alfons suggested, then no other religions would be allowed, and so there'd be no civil liberties.

actually Christianity was the source of the notion that government and religion should be split. by todays' standards the Founding Fathers, after all, ran a Christian Fundamentalist regime.

Ok. So I force him to believe what he wants to believe. And let me be. Fair enough, I guess I'll have to force him to do that :coffeepap

but it is his culture to force his culture on you, and here you are forcing your culture on him. so we have come back to my position; living next to each other in peace is impossible; one of us will survive and one of us will not.
 
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If I recall- before 9/11 happened - our country was focused on trying to end the same behavior from Gangs in America.

Our police were pushed away - every time they came near places like Cabrini Green all hell would break loose. There were several attempts to squelch the illegal and dangerous activities but all failed.

Their final option was to simple relocate everyone - and level the buildings. . . but that merely spread the gangs throughout the city - they still carry on their rivalries and gang wars.

If you think that this video pertaining to Muslim-groups is new - think again.
Groups of thugs will always form around any variety of ideology and social-construct . . . against law enforcement, against civility - against the citizens in their local communities.

It's most certainly not some new form of crime - or pertaining to Muslims alone.

So - what happened to the 'war on gangs' that we were waging? You know - the 'War on Drugs' - it just stopped.
9/11 happened and all the efforts taht were focused on dealing with THOSE issues were diverted to other parts of the country and other parts of the world . . . but that doesn't mean that the problem *ended* - it just means that it was given the blind eye and the cold shoulder.
 
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but it is his culture to force his culture on you, and here you are forcing your culture on him. so we have come back to my position; living next to each other in peace is impossible; one of us will survive and one of us will not.

Only if my neighbour absolutely feels its nessecary to kill me over the fact I don't call my god the Flying Spaghetti Monster. :2razz:

But thankfully, in an ideal world the state will then kill him back for me :)

You bring up some good points there. Whether the founders ran a Christian Fundamentalist Regime. I don't know about that. It was certainly influenced by Christianity I'm not gonna deny that.
 
but it is his culture to force his culture on you, and here you are forcing your culture on him. so we have come back to my position; living next to each other in peace is impossible; one of us will survive and one of us will not.

Force is at work, but the two aren't comparable. One side is trying to subject other human beings, the other is trying to secure freedom for everybody.

Behaviors possess certain qualities that either respect, subvert, or subdue the free will of others. Forcing someone to practice their beliefs in a decent and civil manner is different from imposing a theocracy. Jet might be using force to control people, but he isn't depriving them of their beliefs or their ability to affirm them.
 
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I ask everyone this who brings up a thread like this.

Is Islam a problem for the West?

If so:

Whats your solution to the problem?

Mass Deportation?


Arrest each one for a DUI. You get treated worse than if you murdered someone. That will teach em!
 
The Resurrection of the True Fundamentalist Christianity, Conservatism, Tradition Values, Abolishment of social benefits for immigrants who have never worked. The same law for erection of Mosques in the Christian Countries, like for Erection of Churches in the Muslim countries.
Sounds good ?
Strange but true, Christianity has such an ugly side.
Better to scuttle these foolish churches and build centers of learning(NO religion allowed).
Debate Politics can undergo a huge improvement by banning these huge advertising banners...
I would not vote for Palin for dogcatcher, her only appeal is to the intellectually-challenged.
 
That was a handful of nutjobs from Saudi Arabia. Muslim Americans hardly make it a matter of practice to fly planes into buildings. They don't really riot. Not really causing any problem. 1 attack 10 years ago which didn't kill as many people as cars do every year.... NOT a good analogy.. They riot all the time in France.
These "nutjobs" are all over the place, mainly in the "near east"...and there have been many attacks.
Why?
And there is a "guilty by association" thing that the Muslims should be aware of...
What are people going to think, in France, when they see these riots and who is rioting..???
Like our people, they may not be correct in their assessment, but.....
 
Arrest each one for a DUI. You get treated worse than if you murdered someone. That will teach em!

Our "criminal justice system" may be criminal; there should be an intermingling of criminal and social justice; reform in a big way.
 
Because no one state has survived without a strong religion, no one society can reject God!

Balance is the key.
This the extremists do not want.
Over sized print must also be banned, on both sides.
Alfons, any proof or are you doing what so many others do, stating your opinion as fact?
Maybe I should do the same thing, but that would make me a bigger jerk.
 
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These "nutjobs" are all over the place, mainly in the "near east"...and there have been many attacks.
Why?
And there is a "guilty by association" thing that the Muslims should be aware of...
What are people going to think, in France, when they see these riots and who is rioting..???
Like our people, they may not be correct in their assessment, but.....

And they see you as in support of the KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, etc. I mean, you haven't spoken out against them? Why aren't you speaking out against them?

This goes for all of you. I haven't seen a single DP poster on any of the major news networks speaking out against the Westboro Baptist Church. Clearly, DP posters must be bigots, or at least they accept bigots as being representative of them because they don't speak out. Muslims in other countries watch CNN and see the Westboro Baptist Church, what else are they supposed to conclude?
 
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These "nutjobs" are all over the place, mainly in the "near east"...and there have been many attacks.
Why?
And there is a "guilty by association" thing that the Muslims should be aware of...
What are people going to think, in France, when they see these riots and who is rioting..???
Like our people, they may not be correct in their assessment, but.....

We actually have freedom of association in this country. so you can't pull the guilt by association thing. You have to be able to prove wrong doing, not just point and throw out suspicions. Muslims in France riot a lot, this is not new. But I haven't seen Muslims in America riot because they were rioting in France. We ain't got the problem with Muslims that Europe seems to have.
 
I ask everyone this who brings up a thread like this.

Is Islam a problem for the West?

If so:

Whats your solution to the problem?

Mass Deportation?
And I answered you but got no reply:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...-islamists-prone-violence.html#post1059188725
me said:
Yes I do feel they are a threat, if not to the existence of Western countries, but to the quality of life and character of them.
Evidence enough in the OP alone.
In that regard, I agree with what countries like, but not limited to, Denmark have done in restricting immigration and the terms on it.

MY TURN:

Am I to take it you are now conceding (contrary to your emptily hostile first reply) these Muslim immigrants do commit an inordinate amount of crime (much of it Thematic to their religion) and consume an inordinate amount of welfare spending too.
OR... do you still deny the obvious from Birmingham to Brussels?

Because if you are not conceding the point you first denied.. I'd be glad to fill several pages here documenting it.
ie, the OP was Just partial of a few of my posts on Sweden/Malmo alone from a closed string.

Additionally, I would indeed consider deportation on a case-by-case basis. It might be very sobering.

In the case of Mexican illegals in the USA, I would consider broader measures of deportation because they are indeed illegal.
 
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There isn't a single place in all of Western Europe where Shari'a Law can supercede or even level with a European government's law. As for having slums in which crime is rampant and the police are endangered, I should hope that you don't think this a purely Muslim-immigrant phenomenon. In fact, I can guarantee you, with the absolute certainty of supporting evidence, that the Muslim "No-Go Zones" are far less dangerous than the numerous black ghettos in America (South Central LA comes to mind), or the veritably Mexican districts of the South Western US, where more police and civilians are killed per week or even day than the entire yearly statistics for, say, Paris's slums.

So, stop being a fear monger, and do attempt to understand the information given to you in a broader context, so you don't look like a fool again.
 
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