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Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

Will God Bless the Military Because of New Policy?

  • God will Continue to bless our Country but not our Military

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • God will continue to bless BOTH country and military

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • God blesses individuals NOT groups

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • God blesses individuals AND groups seperatly

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • God doesnt work like this at all!

    Votes: 10 27.0%
  • I dont believe in God of the Chirstian Bible

    Votes: 9 24.3%
  • Im an Athiest

    Votes: 13 35.1%
  • Other / I dont know

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a idiot

    Votes: 12 32.4%
  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a wise person

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Total voters
    37
Mickey, I was ready to drop it. Obviously we aren't going to agree, and there's no point in butting heads forever. But then I got to the bolded sentence... and I just cannot let that stand.

My father fought in WW2 against the Nazis. You know, the Nazis, those wild and crazy guys who committed the mass murder of jews, socialists, gypsies, homosexuals, and basically anybody else they didn't like, in death camps, by the millions? Who wanted to run the world likewise? You're going to try to tell me that God would have preferred that we not use violence against the Nazis? Perhaps harsh language would have sufficed? Maybe we should have simply surrendered to them? Can you suggest a non-violent solution for dealing with Hitler that doesn't involve simply letting him murder millions of innocent people?

And you think the soldiers who fought that war to stop that evil were anathema in God's sight because they were killing Nazi's?






Does God ever bless soldiers or armies?

You are winning this debate with your sensibilities. Of course I despise the Nazis and the atrocities that they committed. And no, the Prince of Peace would have had a struggle on his hands trying to convince them to stop.

I'm familiar with the story of David. He does kill Goliath, much to the delight of God (supposedly).

I shall concede this argument to you, Blackdog, and all other soldiers that have killed in battle. I never meant to cause anyone to feel bad because of a slight difference in belief. I only wanted to help those who carry a burden by suggesting that they take a moment to let God make them feel better. St. Peter will be asking the questions, not me.
 
If the taking of another human life wasn't a burden, all of the members of a firing squad would have a live round.
 
If the taking of another human life wasn't a burden, all of the members of a firing squad would have a live round.

It is always hard to take a life be it a police officer or soldier etc in the line of duty. I thank God I never had to.
 
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You are winning this debate with your sensibilities. Of course I despise the Nazis and the atrocities that they committed. And no, the Prince of Peace would have had a struggle on his hands trying to convince them to stop.

I'm familiar with the story of David. He does kill Goliath, much to the delight of God (supposedly).

I shall concede this argument to you, Blackdog, and all other soldiers that have killed in battle. I never meant to cause anyone to feel bad because of a slight difference in belief. I only wanted to help those who carry a burden by suggesting that they take a moment to let God make them feel better. St. Peter will be asking the questions, not me.

You're a good man, Mickey, and I never meant to imply otherwise. If everyone loved their neighbor as their self, it would be a wonderful world. Unfortunately, it is a hard world, tainted by sin, and full of hard choices sometimes.
 
You're a good man, Mickey, and I never meant to imply otherwise. If everyone loved their neighbor as their self, it would be a wonderful world. Unfortunately, it is a hard world, tainted by sin, and full of hard choices sometimes.
Thanks Goshin, and it is quite true that the world is a hard hearted place. There was probably war ever since the first time that a caveman clan discovered that another, slightly different caveman clan existed. It's a shame really that humans are so combative.

Not me so much as I've know no war. At my age now, that probably won't change unless a war comes to the streets of America. At which time I will take up arms and kill other humans much to my dismay. So no, I'd never qualify for CO status due to my beliefs.
 
I'm an Atheist, but I would have thought if a God existed he would have stopped blessing the US military when they killed over 100,000 people in Iraq. That would seem to have a little more persuasion than letting homosexuals serve openly in the military.

Even from a purely literalistic perspective, I think Yahweh might have more of a problem with us allowing their existence at all. Homosexuals are abominations who mix fabrics and eat shellfish.

Heck, take a look at the list of nations that prohibit homosexuals from openly serving in the military. Half of them are enemies of the US anyway lol. Do they get special blessing for hating on the gays?

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Excellent point! Love the name of the file BTW..... homoarmy :lol:
 
You can throw as many bible verses as you want to try to justify it, but my statement still stands. People tend to cherry pick issues that they care about and try to justify them, and then throw the others by the wayside and believe them without the same kind of scrutiny.

This is an excellent point. The Bible is an extremely complex work, but has a very simple message. The simple message deals with God's love for his people (the Jews), his promise of eternal life and the path open to Jews and Gentiles alike in achieving that eternal life. The complexity of the Bible deals with who God is, and in that, why this promise has been made to man, and finally the concept of righteous living. Quoting a single verse is usually taking the Bible out of context. In fact, reading the New Testament without the Old is also taking the Bible out of context. Taking the Bible out of context is a very easy thing to do.

That said, it is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9 is pretty clear on this (as many of the other verses and passages quoted herein)

....9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.....


But, there are a great many sins (some of which are noted above). Sin is sin. There is nothing that makes homosexual sin any different than adultery (which, includes marrying after divorce), stealing, being angry with your brother, being greedy or covetous.... to go along with your traditional sins of murder, stealing and lying.... What each of us are compelled to do is to realize that man is trapped in sin and can not avoid it, as all men fall short of the glory of God. One does not earn their way into the Kingdom by being free of sin, but he may be "....washed....sanctified.... and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God....."
 
The old testament doesn't apply to Christians, that was the old covenant with God. With Christ we have a new covenant, and the most important verse in the Bible is John 3:16

I think a re-read of Matthew 5 may be in order:

"...17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven....."

Again, reading the New Testament without the Old is to take the Bible out of context.
 
One of my friends firmly feels that because gays are now openly allowed in the US military and they can openly state they are gay, that God (of the Christian Bible) will choose NOT to bless our military in combat and might not even bless our Country.

What is YOUR opinion?

Well, the rest of the world's been doing fine without his blessing. I dare say that lack of blessing might even improve your soldiers' lot a bit.
 
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