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Is the Term "Jew" Offensive?

Is the Term "Jew" Offensive

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 3.1%

  • No

    Votes: 49 51.0%

  • Depends on how it's used

    Votes: 44 45.8%
  • Total voters
    96
I have not read this thread, and not sure if I even would want to, but the title prompted this tidbit of info.

I recall as a kid visiting Florida and there was a newspaper story about a man who caught a monstrous 600+ pound Jewfish off from the pier at the beach (Naples, or Ft. Meyers one of the two) . You won't find any Jewfish anymore, apparently that particular nomenclature has since been deemed offensive, they are now the Goliath Grouper.
 
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The jews call themselves jews don't they? They are part of the jewish community aren't they?
 
American said:
The jews call themselves jews don't they? They are part of the jewish community aren't they?
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I've never heard my brother in law say "I am a Jew" - he says "I'm Jewish" . . he says it's because he's not Kosher :2razz:
 
Demon of Light said:
Because what Gardener said was wrong. I thought that much was obvious.
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Yes, books created in order to promote hostility towards Jewish people by accusing them of manipulating people though milking the Holocaust obviously have nothing to do with the sort of classic antisemitism in bygone days that simply accused Jewish people of manipulating people by basis of their protocols.
:roll:
 
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You're saying that people create books simply with the goal of creating hostility towards the Jews? Gosh. You're so cynical, gardener.

/sarcasm.
 
Demon of Light said:
I think the term can never be offensive, but rather it is entirely based on something else communicated at the same time. If someone says "Jew" like that's a bad thing it is really the fact someone is saying it like it is a bad thing as opposed to the term itself being used. It is not like calling someone a fishhead or a porch monkey, words whose sole meanings are pejorative.
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Agreed. The intent tells you about the person using the word, and if the person intends it as an insult they are what is offensive, not the word.
 
X Factor said:
I truly don't understand what Gardener said that was wrong. Could you elaborate?
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Here:

Gardener said:
Look -- I can't be antisemitic. I agree with Norm Finklestein that Jews are conniving, manipulating deceitful creatures who get others to do their bidding, but he's a Jew, so it's all o.k.
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Nowhere has such a claim even remotely been made. Norman Finklestein only claims that members of the Jewish establishment have abused the memory of the Holocaust for political and financial gain.
 
Demon of Light said:
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Nowhere has such a claim even remotely been made. Norman Finklestein only claims that members of the Jewish establishment have abused the memory of the Holocaust for political and financial gain.
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Two plus two doesn't even remotely equal 4, Demon.

Two plus two only equals half of 8.
 
Gardener said:
Look -- I can't be antisemitic. I agree with Norm Finklestein that Jews are conniving, manipulating deceitful creatures who get others to do their bidding, but he's a Jew, so it's all o.k.
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when did finklestein say that?
 
Just thinking of jews brings a chill to the room, much less say ... "Jew" ... :rofl:
 
Red_Dave said:
Dont you go bringing facts into this!
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Well, that wasn't so much a statement of fact as it was a question. I'm not familiar with Finkelstein, but I do believe it's possible to be obviously anti Semitic (or anti anything, really) and yet never expressly say it. Anyway, I'll have to read up on Mr. Finkelstein, and see what he's about.
 
Serenity said:
when did finklestein say that?
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He writes entire books towards that end, and is an unabashed supporter of the terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah, to boot.

But like I said, antisemites support him in order to legitimize their own antisemitism.
 
Demon of Light said:
Nowhere has such a claim even remotely been made. Norman Finklestein only claims that members of the Jewish establishment have abused the memory of the Holocaust for political and financial gain.
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You don't consider abusing the murders of millions of people for personal gain to be conniving, manipulating, and deceitful?

Butter doesn't melt in your mouth either, does it?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I've never heard my brother in law say "I am a Jew" - he says "I'm Jewish" . . he says it's because he's not Kosher :2razz:
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Hahahah, yeah. That's all just grammar. :lol:
 
Hard to say, I am not Jewish.
I do use the term "Jew 'em down".
I do know that we must learn to be more respectful of others.
Many of us were bought up in the sewers.
In my day, terms such as n*****,Jew, pole, frog, kraut,jap, on and on were common place.
The sensitivities of others was not considered in the least..
I think we have improved, this century from the past.
 
I don't find much of anything "offensive", so if you're asking if I think it's offensive then no.

Do others think it's offensive? Maybe. I generally try to respect other peoples' offense. If people don't like being called "black" or "a jew" or whatever, I won't say it to them...
 
I am so liberal minded that no words offend me. I even love tadpoles who are poor swimmers.
 
Gardener said:
Two plus two doesn't even remotely equal 4, Demon.

Two plus two only equals half of 8.
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Are you saying I am saying the same thing or are you acknowledging that what Finkelstein has said is not the same as what you have said and in fact you are drawing your own conclusions about him by stretching his words to a point where they satisfy your paranoia? That is to say what he has actually said is only "half of" the truth that you are capable of deriving from his words in absolute objectivity.

Gardener said:
He writes entire books towards that end, and is an unabashed supporter of the terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah, to boot.
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He supports their right to defend themselves from Israeli aggression. Of course, criticizing Israel is not the same as criticizing Jews so it is quite irrelevant.

Catz Part Deux said:
You don't consider abusing the murders of millions of people for personal gain to be conniving, manipulating, and deceitful?
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Do you? If so, does that mean you think no one in the Jewish establishment has used the Holocaust for financial and political gain? Of course, if saying some Jews are conniving, manipulating and deceitful is the same as saying all Jews are then it must mean you are an antisemite as well. Indeed, it must mean we are all antisemites because no one could objectively argue that there is not a Jew in the world who connives, manipulates, or deceives.
 
Good grief, I don't even know how I accomplished that ^^^ unfinished post. What I meant to say was I disagree w/ DOL's suggestion that between Israel and Hamas, that it's Israel that's the aggressor. Hamas is committed to jihad against Israel and is opposed to any peace talks. Both are in the Hamas charter.
 
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