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Same sex marriage: what is it really?

What is same sex marriage?

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Blackdog said:
Yes we do. Then again you think "some discrimination" is OK as long as you agree with it.
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Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.
 
Jerry said:
You mean, why did YOU ask:


We would have to know a little something about you in order to say how anyone's marriage "forces" anything on you.
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Other people's marriages don't force anything on me, it's none of my business. But to answer your question I have a job and I'm a student.
 
Sean_H said:
And not allowing SSM isn't discriminatory how?

I actually don't see any real problem with polygamy either though I know that's not the norm.
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And the second part of my post did not answer the question?

"Marriage for 2 men or women is not a right just like polygamy etc. - Blackdog
 
Sean_H said:
Other people's marriages don't force anything on me, it's none of my business. But to answer your question I have a job and I'm a student.
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That is 100% correct and thats what some people just cant handle, they feel it is their business. Its their selfish arrogance that makes them think they have the right to tell two sound mind consenting adults if they can marry or not, in America thats totally absurd.

The core of if always comes down to this, there are people that dont care about YOUR rights, liberties and freedoms, they dont matter one bit to them. They dont care if they discriminate, all some people care about are their own rights, liberties and freedoms.

Their opinions, morals and or religion are way more important than any fellow American or your rights, your liberties, your freedoms and yes even our constitution. Doesnt matter to them, they cant see they are huge hypocrites. Its funny though because if you tried to discriminate against them they would cry to high heaven. lol
 
Blackdog said:
And the second part of my post did not answer the question?

"Marriage for 2 men or women is not a right just like polygamy etc. - Blackdog
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Based on what?
 
Sean_H said:
Other people's marriages don't force anything on me, it's none of my business.cBut to answer your question I have a job and I'm a student.
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Relax, if I wanted to get your real ID it would be all to easy to trace you.

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I didn't ask IF you had a job, I asked WHAT your job is.

Family have to respect next-of-kin status for remains and property; retirement homes have to allow the couple to live together.....basically all the things gays are fighting for, other people are involved in maintaining and executing, so it will affect them.

Family law is extensive and affects everyone. As a personal example, my upcoming divorce affects people I will never meet as my X uses more government assistance and my children become statistically more likely to commit juvenile crime and need tax-funded special attention from the school.

Everyone's marriage and/or divorce affects the entire community, gay marriages and divorces will be no different.
 
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Centrist77 said:
That is 100% correct and thats what some people just cant handle, they feel it is their business. Its their selfish arrogance that makes them think they have the right to tell two sound mind consenting adults if they can marry or not, in America thats totally absurd.
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It's public policy. You don't have to be directly affected, you just have to be a registered voter.
 
Jerry said:
It's public policy. You don't have to be directly affected, you just have to be a registered voter.
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We been over this "gamer" :), nobody is arguing about the right to simply vote.
 
Jerry said:
Relax, if I wanted to get your real ID it would be all to easy to trace you.

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I didn't ask IF you had a job, I asked WHAT your job is.

Family have to respect next-of-kin status for remains and property; retirement homes have to allow the couple to live together.....basically all the things gays are fighting for, other people are involved in maintaining and executing, so it will affect them.

Family law is extensive and affects everyone. As a personal example, my upcoming divorce affects people I will never meet as my X uses more government assistance and my children become statistically more likely to commit juvenile crime and need tax-funded special attention from the school.

Everyone's marriage and/or divorce affects the entire community, gay marriages and divorces will be no different.
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But the sex of those people does not. That said, my job is at a resort, sound teching, A/V, that sort of thing.
 
Jerry said:
Relax, if I wanted to get your real ID it would be all to easy to trace you.

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I didn't ask IF you had a job, I asked WHAT your job is.

Family have to respect next-of-kin status for remains and property; retirement homes have to allow the couple to live together.....basically all the things gays are fighting for, other people are involved in maintaining and executing, so it will affect them.

Family law is extensive and affects everyone. As a personal example, my upcoming divorce affects people I will never meet as my X uses more government assistance and my children become statistically more likely to commit juvenile crime and need tax-funded special attention from the school.

Everyone's marriage and/or divorce affects the entire community, gay marriages and divorces will be no different.
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In reality those things dont "effect" anybody in a real sense.

Two ugly people kissing is gross to me, "technically" it has an "affect" on me but not really unless im a self serving arrogant anti-american dickhead :D

An affect in a true sense. Gay marriage wont do that.

if we are going to be silly we could say the same about civil rights, womans rights and interracial marriage etc etc.
 
Blackdog said:
Based on the fact it's the law? You do live in the US right?
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I do, and the law is wrong. Slavery was legal at one point too does that mean that those people didn't deserve human rights?

Also, being the law only makes it de jure segregation.
 
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Sean_H said:
I do, and the law is wrong. Slavery was legal at one point too does that mean that those people didn't deserve human rights?
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You are really comparing slavery to gay marriage, really? And people wonder why blacks get offended by that comparison. Marriage has not nor ever been designated a right.

Sean_H said:
Also, being the law only makes it de jure segregation.
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In your opinion. Marriage is a man and a woman, period.
 
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Blackdog said:
You are really comparing slavery to gay marriage, really? And people wonder why blacks get offended by that comparison. Marriage has not nor ever been designated a right.
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I don't like to jump on that one but I'll admit it's easy, how about women voting, or any number of examples. When a law is wrong we fix it. By the way argument by dismissal isn't argument at all.



Blackdog said:
In your opinion. Marriage is a man and a woman, period.
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In your opinion. It's none of your business, period.
 
Sean_H said:
I don't like to jump on that one but I'll admit it's easy, how about women voting, or any number of examples. When a law is wrong we fix it. By the way argument by dismissal isn't argument at all.
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I know, but I have argued this oh at this point what? 100+ times? in 10 or so different threads? Just tired of it, so yes I am dismissing it.

Sean_H said:
In your opinion. It's none of your business, period.
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Neither is a store owner who does not want blacks in his store, but it is the law. Sorry that argument has never washed.
 
Blackdog said:
I know, but I have argued this oh at this point what? 100+ times? in 10 or so different threads? Just tired of it, so yes I am dismissing it.
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You don't have to use the slavery example like I said. Why not change the law? If you don't want to address the arguments don't come to the same topics.

Blackdog said:
Neither is a store owner who does not want blacks in his store, but it is the law. Sorry that argument has never washed.
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Still haven't made a valid argument as to why same sex marriage SHOULD be illegal (which isn't in all of the US). The racist store owner doesn't actually help your case either.
 
Sean_H said:
You don't have to use the slavery example like I said. Why not change the law? If you don't want to address the arguments don't come to the same topics.
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You responded to me I believe, not I to you.

Being a new person I owed you some kind of response. Did not want to appear rude, lol.

Because it would be a waist of time at this point. The Constitution is not going to be amended to change it.

Sean_H said:
Still haven't made a valid argument as to why same sex marriage SHOULD be illegal (which isn't in all of the US). The racist store owner doesn't actually help your case either.
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If you are really interested in how I really feel you can search my posts.

Yes he does. It is his private property, so why should he be forced to let someone in he does not want to serve for whatever reason? Same can be said for SSM. End of story.
 
Blackdog said:
You responded to me I believe, not I to you.

Being a new person I owed you some kind of response. Did not want to appear rude, lol.

Because it would be a waist of time at this point. The Constitution is not going to be amended to change it.
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Debate works both ways, I responded to you, you in turn responded. Second point is fair enough I do appreciate responses. I never called for a Constitutional amendment (especially since it doesn't prohibit same sex marriage) law changes aren't constitutional amendments.



Blackdog said:
If you are really interested in how I really feel you can search my posts.

Yes he does. It is his private property, so why should he be forced to let someone in he does not want to serve for whatever reason? Same can be said for SSM. End of story.
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I probably will, but that doesn't really give much opportunity to debate (though you are right it's pretty much all been said). And my point was equal protection and that not allowing SSM isn't protecting anyones civil liberties. Also, on a side note, I like this two quote thing we've got going on here.
 
Sean_H said:
Debate works both ways, I responded to you, you in turn responded. Second point is fair enough I do appreciate responses. I never called for a Constitutional amendment (especially since it doesn't prohibit same sex marriage) law changes aren't constitutional amendments.
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I thought you ment the Civil rights act.

Sean_H said:
I probably will, but that doesn't really give much opportunity to debate (though you are right it's pretty much all been said). And my point was equal protection and that not allowing SSM isn't protecting anyones civil liberties. Also, on a side note, I like this two quote thing we've got going on here.
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I know, but I am so sick of this debate title dude you have no idea.

As for the quote thing... Oh hell yea, only way to debate.
 
Centrist77 said:
We been over this "gamer" :), nobody is arguing about the right to simply vote.
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What about when people use the "how does it directly affect you" angle in an attempt to quiet arguments here on this thread? That's one such 'silly game', it's trolling, it's being a jerk, and I fire back. I use specific examples of how a given marriage can directly affect people you never knew existed, and why one's opinion counts even if they're not affected in any way.

I would argue that it's because gay marriage will directly affect you as why you should support SSM.
 
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Sean_H said:
But the sex of those people does not. That said, my job is at a resort, sound teching, A/V, that sort of thing.
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Oh very cool....if children are involved, I trust you would have to release a child to a SSM parent should they pick up said child for, say, an appointment?
 
Centrist77 said:
In reality those things dont "effect" anybody in a real sense.

Two ugly people kissing is gross to me, "technically" it has an "affect" on me but not really unless im a self serving arrogant anti-american dickhead :D

An affect in a true sense. Gay marriage wont do that.

if we are going to be silly we could say the same about civil rights, womans rights and interracial marriage etc etc.
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I always come back to the taxpayer's cost of divorce and harm endured by the juvenile crime rate as examples of how every marriage of every kind affects me.

Basically I reject the idea that each marriage exists in a vacuum tube. I argue that we all exist in communities, and as such the community has a say in the rules it abides by; even while specific rules may or may not apply to select individuals. Why does the thumb care if the toe is cut? The thumb isn't directly affected...but the thumb is part of the same body which could contract an infection, etc.
 
Sean_H said:
I do, and the law is wrong. Slavery was legal at one point too does that mean that those people didn't deserve human rights?

Also, being the law only makes it de jure segregation.
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A very good point. Slaves were considered as property just as the unborn are today.
 
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