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Same sex marriage: what is it really?

What is same sex marriage?

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winston53660 said:
Oh so now we switch to a commercial website:lamo

Show me the actual law.

Might I suggest you look at DOMA.
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So because a site is "commercial" it is somehow unable to provide the legal definition? :doh

It is the legal definition, has nothing to do with the DOMA.

Please try and come up with a valid argument.
 
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Blackdog said:
So because a site is "commercial" it is somehow unable to provide the legal definition? :doh

It is the legal definition, has nothing to do with the DOMA.

Please try and come up with a valid argument.
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Try coming up with a valid definition.:lamo

That first site was hilarious though.
 
winston53660 said:
Try coming up with a valid definition.:lamo

That first site was hilarious though.
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It is the legal definition in every law dictionary. So far you have offered nothing at all to refute it because you can't, and you know it. So instead of an argument, you try desperately to attack the sources which are correct no less.
 
Blackdog said:
Our "smart, tolerant, advanced and civil, society and equality wise as we are today." is a joke compared to what it was. Yes slavery and womens suffrage were wrong and a part of the times, but we are no better. With rampant crime, immorality and going broke quicker than **** through a goose. Our society is a pathetic crumbling joke.

It's up to those of us with back bone to stand up and say no more. While those who see everything as "gray" sit back and let it happen. Because if everything is gray, there is no right or wrong. All bets are off because of politically correct nonsense.
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so all that stuff impacts our society equality wise? hmm news to me.
You are right it is up to people with a back bone to fight for their fellow americans and for their freedoms rights and equal liberties. Thats what Im doing :D Its the weak, dishonest, selfish and scared that only care about themselves.

good move bailing out on that founders thing to btw.

Everything IS grey because everything IS circumstantial, thats reality.;)

EDIT NOTE, your reply is my fault I looked back and had and AND in between society and equality wise, there shouldn't be one.
 
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Blackdog said:
It is the legal definition in every law dictionary. So far you have offered nothing at all to refute it because you can't, and you know it. So instead of an argument, you try desperately to attack the sources which are correct no less.
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Then you should have no problem sourcing it from an actual law dictionary should you?

Good luck:lamo
 
Blackdog said:
Funny you would cut out the last part of my post, no biggie I am used to it.

Fact is you asked for reasons and I gave you many and many more exist. Don't really feel bothered by the fact you don't agree with it.

In the end it is just opinion as it has not happened. So your opinion or speculation on said matter really does not matter.
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What was the last part? That last post I had poorly edited as I was writting it when I was not in lab and didn't take care to get rid of bolds and quote right apparently. Regardless, I don't think the speculation is on my part. It's completely on yours. Like somehow your right to free speech will be infringed upon, or blah blah blah; lots of stuff made up with no proof. You gave "reasons", but none were logical or grounded in reality. And I explained the break down of all of those "points".
 
Centrist77 said:
so all that stuff impacts our society equality wise? hmm news to me.
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Not certain what you mean.

Centrist77 said:
You are right it is up to people with a back bone to fight for their fellow americans and for their freedoms rights and equal liberties. Thats what Im doing :D
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I don't know if you are doing anything or not. You seem to think debating on web sites is somehow an effective crusade, lol.

Centrist77 said:
Its the weak, dishonest, selfish and scared that only care about themselves.
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Yea tell that to a 12 year vet. :lol:

Centrist77 said:
Everything IS grey because everything IS circumstantial, thats reality.;)
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And this my friend is the problem.
 
winston53660 said:
Then you should have no problem sourcing it from an actual law dictionary should you?

Good luck:lamo
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You have got to be kidding? Law.com | Legal News, Technology, In-House Counsel, & Small Firms Legal Resources has a legal dictionary.

JURIST - Legal Dictionaries also jumps to the same site.

1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law see also divorce - Marriage: Definition of marriage. Define marriage

How many sites do I need to go to?
 
Ikari said:
What was the last part? That last post I had poorly edited as I was writting it when I was not in lab and didn't take care to get rid of bolds and quote right apparently.
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Ahh OK. I was a little hurt, lol as you have been pretty level so far.

Ikari said:
Regardless, I don't think the speculation is on my part. It's completely on yours. Like somehow your right to free speech will be infringed upon, or blah blah blah; lots of stuff made up with no proof. You gave "reasons", but none were logical or grounded in reality. And I explained the break down of all of those "points".
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This is what I mean, I said and you missed it "some I agree with and some I don't." I am not going to break it down as it is not necessary to be honest. Your saying it will have no effect is as much speculation or a guess as my saying it will. So nothing to do but wait and see how it plays out.
 
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Blackdog said:
Not certain what you mean.
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you probably missed my edit :3oops: my fault



Blackdog said:
I don't know if you are doing anything or not. You seem to think debating on web sites is somehow an effective crusade, lol.
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You dont need to know and the second part is just a wild guess and ASSumption by you and a wrong one as usual LMAO



Blackdog said:
Yea tell that to a 12 year vet. :lol:
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Meaningless
100% meaningless to be exact
First who said I was talking about you? guilt? I was speaking in general.
2ndly you could be a 50 year vet and still only care about yourself and not others. Being a military man is RESPECTABLE. Stereotypically I hold military men and woman in high regard but at the end of the day they are humans and they have their mix of geniuses/retards, selfless/selfish, tolerant/bigots, caring/assholes just like civilians. Another non black white issue, its grey just like reality. Vet doesnt not = good person. It very well could = bad person.

So keep saying your a vet like it proves something, it doesnt, all it means is exactly what the term definition is, you served.




Blackdog said:
And this my friend is the problem.
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Nope, not mine, not societies, just yours.
What it is, is reality, EVERYTHING is circumstantial.

Let me know when you have something on topic to debate.
 
Blackdog said:
You have got to be kidding? Law.com | Legal News, Technology, In-House Counsel, & Small Firms Legal Resources has a legal dictionary.

JURIST - Legal Dictionaries also jumps to the same site.

1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law see also divorce - Marriage: Definition of marriage. Define marriage

How many sites do I need to go to?
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Marriage

marriage [mar-ij] n
1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law see also divorce
2 : the ceremony containing certain legal formalities by which a marriage relationship is created

Source: Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law ©1996. Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. Published under license with Merriam-Webster, Incorporated.
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Well that might have been true in 1996 But these days in several States as well as countries there is also same sex marriage:peace

Here is what MW has to say today:

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a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>

Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
winston53660 said:
Well that might have been true in 1996 But these days in several States as well as countries there is also same sex marriage:peace

Here is what MW has to say today:

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a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>

Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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So in other words I ws correct. Thanks. :roll:

The MW dictionary you posted is not a law dictionary in any way.
 
Blackdog said:
So in other words I ws correct. Thanks. :roll:

The MW dictionary you posted is not a law dictionary in any way.
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Well in '96 you were correct. :roll:
 
Centrist77 said:
you probably missed my edit :3oops: my fault


You dont need to know and the second part is just a wild guess and ASSumption by you and a wrong one as usual LMAO

Meaningless
100% meaningless to be exact
First who said I was talking about you? guilt? I was speaking in general.
2ndly you could be a 50 year vet and still only care about yourself and not others. Being a military man is RESPECTABLE. Stereotypically I hold military men and woman in high regard but at the end of the day they are humans and they have their mix of geniuses/retards, selfless/selfish, tolerant/bigots, caring/assholes just like civilians. Another non black white issue, its grey just like reality. Vet doesnt not = good person. It very well could = bad person.

So keep saying your a vet like it proves something, it doesnt, all it means is exactly what the term definition is, you served.


Nope, not mine, not societies, just yours.
What it is, is reality, EVERYTHING is circumstantial.

Let me know when you have something on topic to debate.
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I accept your admission of defeat. :peace
 
winston53660 said:
Well in '96 you were correct. :roll:
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The other LAW DICTIONARYS are not from 96, they are recent as the definition in the US as in Federal Government has not changed.

Thanks for playing.
 
Blackdog said:
I accept your admission of defeat. :peace
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LMAO
thats what I thought, you have nothing on topic ;)
I read you loud and clear.

Have a food night.
 
Blackdog said:
The other LAW DICTIONARYS are not from 96, they are recent as the definition in the US as in Federal Government has not changed.

Thanks for playing.
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States defined marriage. Marriage was not defined by the feds till DOMA. Remember I pointed out DOMA ealier for you.
 
Centrist77 said:
LMAO
thats what I thought, you have nothing on topic ;)
I read you loud and clear.

Have a food night.
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Please point out something you posted that was other than opinion and throwing adhomonyms at anyone that disagrees with your opinion? It was nothing to respond to.

I guess a "food night" could be fun, LMAO!
 
winston53660 said:
States defined marriage. Marriage was not defined by the feds till DOMA. Remember I pointed out DOMA ealier for you.
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The law dictionary's as I stated from the beginning doesn't agree with your assessment and flat out says you are wrong. You were wrong then and you are wrong now. You mite want to write to the editor or something, lol.

PS the Feds started defining marriage as soon as they started giving Federal money for benefits etc. So wrong again.
 
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Blackdog said:
The law dictionary's as I stated from the beginning doesn't agree with your assessment and flat out says you are wrong. You were wrong then and you are wrong now. You mite want to write to the editor or something, lol.
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Well you know as well as I do State recognition of same sex marriage is legal in some States now.

And the last I checked it was the States not the feds that issue marriage licenses.
 
winston53660 said:
Well you know as well as I do State recognition of same sex marriage is legal in some States now.
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And that has absolutely nothing to do with my statement or your accusation at all. You flat out said my definition was wrong and I proved it was not. This argument you are making now is nothing but a strawman. :sinking:

winston53660 said:
And the last I checked it was the States not the feds that issue marriage licenses.
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Another strawman. It has literally nothing to do with the legal definition.
 
Blackdog said:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with my statement or your accusation at all. You flat out said my definition was wrong and I proved it was. This argument is nothing but a strawman. :sinking:



Another strawman. It has literally nothing to do with the legal definition.
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The legal definition in some States does include same sex marriage.
 
winston53660 said:
The legal definition in some States does include same sex marriage.
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And in more states they have formally defined marriage as strictly a male and female union ;)
 
winston53660 said:
The legal definition in some States does include same sex marriage.
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And it is still not recognized by the VAST majority of states or the federal government. And most law dictionary's still to this day define it as a man and woman. Any questions?

You know you can add more laughing smileys to make yourself feel better.
 
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