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Same sex marriage: what is it really?

What is same sex marriage?


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They think "it's non of your buisness" is a valid reason why we should support something.

When it comes to the marriage of sound mind human consenting adults its a VERY valid reason lol
 
There are tons of those, actually.

You mean like blue laws? We ain't got those no more. No one forces me to go to church, no one forces me to believe in a certain god, no one forces me to not work on any particular day of the week (in fact, my professor would be quite irate if I wasn't working 7 days a week...****ing science). As such, there's no real law forcing people to keep holy the sabbath. Crappy blue laws, yeah those suck and most places seem to be doing away with them (except now it's highly resisted not by Christians, but by Supermarkets and the like who will sell a lot of beer on Sunday due to liquor stores being closed).
 
It's not over the top if you try to get your religious definitions enforced by government. I don't care how you personally wish to define marriage. You can do it any ol' way your heart desires. But when you try to get that upheld through government force; then we're talking a different ball game. I'll respect your right to hold an opinion on what you think marriage should be. But you have no right to use government to enforce that definition.

pure common sense right here
 
Actually, evidence has shown that there are a lot of psychological benefits to praying. It reduces stress and protects against depression. It also gives an opportunity for self reflection.

Or you can get a dog. Whatever floats your boat.
 
no one is having their actions in any way coerced or their freedom of movement or speech limited; there is no tyranny here.

the only entity having it's actions restrained is that of the State; which is being restrained by the people. which is how it should be.
 
no one is having their actions in any way coerced or their freedom of movement or speech limited; there is no tyranny here.

the only entity having it's actions restrained is that of the State; which is being restrained by the people. which is how it should be.

That is an ass backwards way of looking at it. Beacuse people are having their actions in a very definite way coerced, and ther freedoms removed. Notably gay people who want to marry. They have their right to contract infringed upon because a certain sect of "folk" think their religious definition of marriage should be enforced through government force.
 
True, but the point is that if people really got nothing out of praying then they probably wouldn't do it.

I have no problem with religion, im supposed to be Christian myself, guess by some peoples view im a bad one LOL

Anyway yes people do get things from praying, that I agree with, but as soon as the force it on others and and want it law when it involves discrimination I have to laugh at the hypocrites.
 
That is an ass backwards way of looking at it. Beacuse people are having their actions in a very definite way coerced, and ther freedoms removed. Notably gay people who want to marry. They have their right to contract infringed upon because a certain sect of "folk" think their religious definition of marriage should be enforced through government force.

gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.

all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.
 
gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.

all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.

this is probably the second dumbest thing I read today, just you trying to flame and be dishonest again

nobody will be forced to do anything especially not EVERYONE
 
Ikari I know sometimes its hard not to shoot the fish in the barrel when they ask for it but you shouldnt let trolling get to you, keep them on topic and just take little smacks at them. They get off on getting you off track and getting you arguing about something that has no meaning to the debate :D

Common sense has no effect on them ;)
 
It's not over the top if you try to get your religious definitions enforced by government.

Why do you think it is only religious? I would be against it even if I was an atheist. That is just one reason. I see it as wrong for what ever reason.

I don't care how you personally wish to define marriage. You can do it any ol' way your heart desires. But when you try to get that upheld through government force; then we're talking a different ball game. I'll respect your right to hold an opinion on what you think marriage should be. But you have no right to use government to enforce that definition.

Yes I do and people are. Live with it, it IS the American way.
 
gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.

all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.

Wow.......Seriously? That's it? You have confirmed my previous statement.
 
Actually it has been, you can deny that reality all you want but per the discussion it as been clearly debunked and your beliefs will never change that.

If it had, others would not disagree. It has not except in your mind.

It can easily be argued hypocritical and anti-american among many other things that in fact makes it debunked for this discussion. LMAO

It is absolutely American to support what you feel is right. What you try to say makes no sense at all looking at American history. Our country was born in revolution.

As an american citizen it is wrong to discriminate,thats another reason

Please show me the law that says a private American citizen cannot discriminate for whatever reason?

The government cannot discriminate, certain public businesses cannot discriminate. The average Joe on the street can discriminate all he or she likes for what ever reason.

I know its because of your beliefs and thats fine they are yours to have but I find it even more hypocritical of you since you are black. You essentially would vote and fight to discriminate against gays the same way racist tried to vote against blacks for different things including interracial marriage. I know you obviously dont care but I find that so sad and it makes me pray to MY god for you and people like you. I hope Im right and you are wrong so we BOTH get to where we want to go.

I don't see it as a grey area like you. I also don't see race as sexuality etc, so that will not float. It does make a good strawman though.

Fact is I see it as black and white. It is either right or wrong, and this is wrong.

Good thing the revolutionary's who forged this nation also saw in black and white.
 
Why do you think it is only religious? I would be against it even if I was an atheist. That is just one reason. I see it as wrong for what ever reason.

Because the arguments thus far have been based on religion and that was what I was replying to. You are free to think anything you want is wrong. I think lots of stuff is wrong. But if those people are not infringing upon the rights of others, there is nothing you can rightfully do.

Yes I do and people are. Live with it, it IS the American way.

No, you don't have that right. You MUST use government force to enforce it. It's not something you rightfully have, the ability to tell people they cannot be married because you don't agree with it. Absolutely does not exist without the presence of FORCE. You must USE the government to make it so, you must infringe upon the rights of somebody to make it so. You innately do not have the rightful power to tell anyone else who they can or cannot marry. That is ridiculous to think that you could come and tell me I can't marry someone for whatever reason you can cook up. That's like saying I have the rightful and innate power to tell you you can't marry a blonde. The only way to make two people unable to legally wed is to use the force of government against the free exercise of their rights for as long as the Marriage License exist.

American way! Ha. In Red Dawn you'd be the enemy.
 
Because the arguments thus far have been based on religion and that was what I was replying to. You are free to think anything you want is wrong. I think lots of stuff is wrong. But if those people are not infringing upon the rights of others, there is nothing you can rightfully do.

According to the law I am well within my rights, thanks.

No, you don't have that right. You MUST use government force to enforce it. It's not something you rightfully have, the ability to tell people they cannot be married because you don't agree with it. Absolutely does not exist without the presence of FORCE. You must USE the government to make it so, you must infringe upon the rights of somebody to make it so. You innately do not have the rightful power to tell anyone else who they can or cannot marry. That is ridiculous to think that you could come and tell me I can't marry someone for whatever reason you can cook up. That's like saying I have the rightful and innate power to tell you you can't marry a blonde. The only way to make two people unable to legally wed is to use the force of government against the free exercise of their rights for as long as the Marriage License exist.

Ikari, no need for the tired old arguments about force etc. I have heard this all before.

Fact: I do have the right.
Fact: Gay marriage is not recognized by the Federal government or the vast majority of states.
Fact: Fight for what you want, I do.

American way! Ha. In Red Dawn you'd be the enemy

Hmmm... That is so over the top it is almost sig worthy.
 
I've noticed an interesting pattern with conservatives like you and NP. You guys say you support something until it actually comes up and then you keep moving the goal posts on it. For you, you "support" same sex marriage, but only if it is restricted to couples who have children.

That goal post strategy allows you to claim you support something that you actually don't support. It doesn't fool people though, so I don't know why you use it.

The goal post I aim for has never moved, it's just not the goal post you aim for. If attaching SSM authorization to a marriage reform bill is the deal I have to make, then I'll make it.

The priority is lowering the divorce and juvenile crime rate. SSM is a harmless gimmick to sell that product, nothing more.
 
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gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.

all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.


So are gays as citizens of the USA forced via government to issue heterosexuals a marriage license?
 
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According to the law I am well within my rights, thanks.

You are within your rights to dissent. You are within your rights to hold your opinion of what marriage is. You are within your rights to denounce same sex marriage. You are within your rights to protest against it. You are within your rights to forbid same sex marriage in your church. You are not within you rights (as per the definition of rights, rights does not mean ability) to use government force against others whom have not infringed upon the rights of anyone else. That is the base. That is fundamental. That is America.

Ikari, no need for the tired old arguments about force etc. I have heard this all before.

Fact: I do have the right.
Fact: Gay marriage is not recognized by the Federal government or the vast majority of states.
Fact: Fight for what you want, I do.

Yes, I'm sure you have. But in the end, you're in the wrong. The use of government force against the rights of the individual who has not infringed upon the rights of others is absolutely wrong.

Hmmm... That is so over the top it is almost sig worthy.

Patrick Swayze would have kicked your ass.
 
**** that. Praying is a pointless endevour, it gets you nothing. Action gets you places. I wouldn't be sitting around praying all the time, and my wife would be super sexy and wearing a miniskirt all the time. Hehehe

Brainwashed from childhood, you would be happy to send your children to hijack aircraft and fly them into the buildings of the infidel.
 
If it had, others would not disagree. It has not except in your mind.

keep telling yourself that, tomorrow it still wont be true LMAO
like i said if you think its right, arge a reason it will get defeated just like all the others



It is absolutely American to support what you feel is right. What you try to say makes no sense at all looking at American history. Our country was born in revolution.

yep because people didnt want DISCRIMINATED and FREEDOMS something you obviously dont care about, just more empty spin talk by you



Please show me the law that says a private American citizen cannot discriminate for whatever reason?
The government cannot discriminate, certain public businesses cannot discriminate. The average Joe on the street can discriminate all he or she likes for what ever reason.
thats it change the words add more spin to it LMAO
its wrong to discriminate based on sexuality PERIOD of course an avg joe can but that doesnt apply to the debate does it?

.......NOPE

more meaningless talk





I don't see it as a grey area like you. I also don't see race as sexuality etc, so that will not float. It does make a good strawman though.

it doesnt need to float with you, its just you being dishonest to feel better about your stance. Homosexuals are already a protected group like minorities so your OPINION is meaningless and that fact alone doesnt allow it to be a strawman it makes it an example of parallel of discrimination not a strawman.


Fact is I see it as black and white. It is either right or wrong, and this is wrong.
Yep you want to discriminate, just like racists, they saw it as black or white and black is wrong or vice versa, thanks I get it LOL


Good thing the revolutionary's who forged this nation also saw in black and white.

LMAO more meaningless spin to the debate


You have no business telling two sound mind consenting human adults who they can marry just like with interracial marriage, people saw that as "wrong" too, Im glad people didnt listen.
 
Brainwashed from childhood, you would be happy to send your children to hijack aircraft and fly them into the buildings of the infidel.

Nah, they tried that. I went to Catholic School
 
hahahahahahahahaha
ignorant asses?
"i" disgust you?

You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person thats wants you to be able to believe what you want but also wants others to have the same freedoms?

You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person that doesnt want fellow americans discriminated based on sexuality?

You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person that believes in the freedoms of all americans including the "sinning homos"?


Wow :applaud

thanks buddy for showing me how to be a good "tolerant" american or was that you showing me how to be a good "tolerant" god believing person?

Ive never seen somebody with so much egg on their face and expose themselves so badly.disgusting indeed.

Man the nerve of a person like me looking out for my fellow americans :2rofll:


I am glad that you think that of me because that lets me know that im right, it lets me know that im for my fellow americans and that the people like you that are only out for themselves get upset and cry about it :d:laughat:

This actually makes me very happy and makes my day!
Thank you

crickets :d
 
When it comes to the marriage of sound mind human consenting adults its a VERY valid reason lol

I ask this in all seriousness: Please tell me why SSM is any of my business; how am I directly affected by a SSM ban; how will SSM directly affect me; what do I have to gain with the legalization of SSM?

I will completely drop the bull**** to get a straight and concise answer.
 
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