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Should dolphins be considered non-human persons?

Should they?

  • yes

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • no

    Votes: 18 69.2%

  • other

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • Total voters
    26
Catz Part Deux said:
A fetus at 24 weeks is substantially less intelligent than a full-grown dolphin.
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A mentally handicapped person may have less intelligence too.
A dolphin is not a person. A human fetus is a hec of lot more deserving of personhood than a dolphin.
 
Le Marteau said:
The rights of a dolphin do not infringe on the rights of an adult human. The hypothetical rights of a fetus (which, I might add, has less intellectual capability than a full-grown dolphin), DO infringe on the rights of an adult human.

Thus the distinction.
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When you give "rights" to dolphins they could infringe on the rights of humans. What about their right to privacy? What about their right to the ocean without human intrusion. Would they have a right not to have their waters fished? Fish are their food source. Do we have the right to take someone's food from them? You see the problems endangered species cause to humans. Personhood for dolphins could be much worse.
 
OscarB63 said:
bull****, kimchee if made properly must stink. kimchee is basically fermented cabbage. cabbage stinks, fermented cabbage stinks even worse
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I have a jar of kimchee in my fridge RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. I eat some almost every day (the health benefits of kimchee are fabulous). It doesn't have a strong smell.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I have a jar of kimchee in my fridge RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. I eat some almost every day (the health benefits of kimchee are fabulous). It doesn't have a strong smell.
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you do realize that kimchee is the prime suspect behind why there is a high rate of gastric cancer among Koreans?

MORE OBSERVATIONS ON KIMCHI LINKED TO CANCER

In late 1990s, Ahn Yo from Seoul National University College of Medicine, Korea, observed that stomach cancer was the most prevalent malignant neoplasm in Korea. He noted an increased risk of stomach cancer was among those who frequently had pickled vegetables (aka kimchi) as their meals.
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OscarB63 said:
bull****, kimchee if made properly must stink. kimchee is basically fermented cabbage. cabbage stinks, fermented cabbage stinks even worse
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cabbage is certainly a common ingredient, but not a requirment.

it's like saying if made properly, cheese must stink.

some does, some doesn't.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I have a jar of kimchee in my fridge RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. I eat some almost every day (the health benefits of kimchee are fabulous). It doesn't have a strong smell.
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Then you don't make it right. I have a korean friend who loves it but won't make it because she knows the smell is very offensive to people who aren't used to it. I have smelled it on a guy who used to eat it on his lunch break. It's enough to gag a maggot.
 
ARealConservative said:
cabbage is certainly a common ingredient, but not a requirment.

it's like saying if made properly, cheese must stink.

some does, some doesn't.
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I beg to differ


Koreans possess a passionate fondness for kimchi, serving this spicy
fermented pickled vegetable dish at most meals. Kimchi contains lots of
vitamins, minerals and fibers. The major ingredient of kimchi is Chinese
cabbage.
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Barbbtx said:
Then you don't make it right. I have a korean friend who loves it but won't make it because she knows the smell is very offensive to people who aren't used to it. I have smelled it on a guy who used to eat it on his lunch break. It's enough to gag a maggot.
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I like the smell of it. :shrug: And, it's tasty, too.

I make it with Napa cabbage, which I think is less odiferous than regular cabbage.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Says you. I prefer dolphins to most humans.
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I prefer dogs over some people. That doesn't mean I think they are more of a person than a human fetus.
What does preference have to do with anything?
 
OscarB63 said:
I beg to differ
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hundreds of variations of kimchi exist.

I used to think a requirement was that the vegetables were fermented, but then learned in Japan, they often don't even use fermented vegetables, yet call it kimchi
 
ARealConservative said:
hundreds of variations of kimchi exist.

I used to think a requirement was that the vegetables were fermented, but then learned in Japan, they often don't even use fermented vegetables, yet call it kimchi
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just because they call it kimchi, doesn't mean it is kimchi. :shrug:

I had a friend growing up who was so poor that his mother called two slices of bread with nothing between a sandwich.
 
Barbbtx said:
I prefer dogs over some people. That doesn't mean I think they are more of a person than a human fetus.
What does preference have to do with anything?
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You expressed your view as if it were factual, rather than opinion.

Dolphins are more intelligent than fetuses. That's a statement of fact. Whether you think they have more worth or not is largely irrelevant, except, perhaps, to you.
 
OscarB63 said:
just because they call it kimchi, doesn't mean it is kimchi. :shrug:

I had a friend growing up who was so poor that his mother called two slices of bread with nothing between a sandwich.
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not even ketchup?

where I grew up, we called two slices of bread with ketchup kimchi (j/k)
 
ARealConservative said:
not even ketchup?

where I grew up, we called two slices of bread with ketchup kimchi (j/k)
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he refered to it as a "bread and nothing sandwich". The father work for the "Wholesome Bread Co." driving a truck and he got to bring home some of the day old bread as a benni.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
You expressed your view as if it were factual, rather than opinion.

Dolphins are more intelligent than fetuses. That's a statement of fact. Whether you think they have more worth or not is largely irrelevant, except, perhaps, to you.
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and a human fetus would have as much intelligence as a dolphin fetus.
Sorry, but a human fetus is more of a person than a dolphin. A dophin may very well be the most intelligent mammal on the globe, but that doesn't make it deserving of personhood.
 
dolpinses be twice as intelligent as many of the "people" who post on this forum and probably more deserving of personhood.
 
OscarB63 said:
dolpinses be twice as intelligent as many of the "people" who post on this forum and probably more deserving of personhood.
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Plus, cuter. The world would be a better place with more dolphins and fewer humans.
 
"For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons."
 
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