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Uniforms in public schools...

Which of these statements do you agree with most?


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As I recall, discipline and focus are required of all students. Clothing doesn't take away, or add to that at all.

Like you would know. I happen to know that private schools perform better than public school on average because of improved discipline, which uniforms are a part of.
 
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We have three angry teenagers debating a bunch of parents and teachers... think that we will reach any compromise?

Yes. Very shortly, the teenagers will be grounded and sent to their rooms.
 
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Whatev. My dad still has no idea what he's talking about. Guess who the only Republican is in the family. :mrgreen:
My parents went from DEM to REP in their old age. On average, they had nothing to say about most everything, but my one grandfather wasn't so quiet about the issues of the day. I was 14 before I learned that goddamdemocrats wasn't one word....:shock:

I have had the pleasure of long talks with elderly friends, in their 80's and beyond. They went thru some dark days. School uniforms is such a trivial issue compared to what they went through.
 
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You are forgetting that Kelzie is female....
to women, liberty is something that they have the power to grant, or take away.
To us guys, we have a little liberty in that short time between being told what to do by our mothers, and that time we are told what to do by our wives....

You are still young, you will understand soon enough...:2razz:

Learn what being a parent actually is about and not how you actually did it. The control you keep going on about is used for a purpose and its done in certain way to ensure understanding. Wow, so hard a concept, really it is. Old farts that hit their kids wouldn't understand though. Oh look, I can play the same game you guys are playing. Interesting...

If you wife is controlling you, leave her, seriously. Just because most men deal with that kind of **** doesn't make it right.

Kelzie said:
I just had a great conversation with my friend who's a teacher about kids disagreeing. Her typical response is "I'm sorry, you thought I was asking you a question, but I'm telling you a fact."

I hear being disrespectful is fine if you're a parent or teacher.
 
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Like you would know. I happen to know that private schools perform better than public school on average because of improved discipline, which uniforms are a part of.

I went to a private school without uniforms and there wasn't any discipline problems. *Shrug*
 
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I went to a private school without uniforms and there wasn't any discipline problems. *Shrug*

Maybe not, but you didn't learn much either....I can't tell if you are a troll, or a foreign national who hasn't lived in the USA very long, or both.

Private schools usually have fewer discipline problems, as mom and dad are paying big bucks for tuition, and won't tolerate their kids wasting their money.
 
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You are telling me how to raise kids? WHat experience do you have raising kids?
Our 2 are college graduates at our expense, have jobs, married, making grandchildren, in that order.
Leave my wife? She makes twice the money I do.....are you nuts?
Did you not see the subtle sarcasm in my post? Your private school tuition was wasted, you aren't smart enough to recognize humor.
 
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I went to a private school without uniforms and there wasn't any discipline problems. *Shrug*
What school was that?
 
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I hear being disrespectful is fine if you're a parent or teacher.

And that's disrespectful because.....?
 
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How does it go? when I was a child, I thought my father stupid, but when I became an adult, my father somehow got smarter.....
The problem with SOME kids, they don't learn, they grow to adults thinking they already have all the answers. We can only hope they don't reproduce before their brains get unscrambled...

I can't agree with this as a general rule. There are plenty of people who, when I was a teenager, I thought they were dumb and that did not change just because I became an adult. It depends on both the teenager and the adult, although, I'd say it is more about the teenager than the adult.

There are lots of teenagers out there that are quite intelligent, very observant, and highly respectful of any adult that deserves it. We hear more about and seem to notice more often those teens that do act immature and disrespectful of adults because it is human nature to ignore that which is going right and notice what is going wrong.

There are a lot of adults out there who think they know more than they do (even ones who are teachers) and/or have a lot of biases. I had a teacher in high school who should not have been an English teacher. I know that at 16 I was smarter than her. I was respectful to her in class and around other students (with the exception of my best friend in private), but that was how I was raised. I have had several teachers who did not know how to teach well, they just put out the material or gave an assignment without being willing or able to help the students with any problems. The issues arise when a teenager is disrespectful to teachers, whether the teacher is a good teacher or a bad one. Problems with teachers that will actually affect a students learning should be dealt with through a student's parents or other adults, not complained about/brought up in front of other students. And there are a lot of teenagers out there that do know this and do this, they just don't get recognition for it because it is the right thing to do.

Also, I consider my father an idiot with very little common sense, and I am 30. He has a lot of (useless) knowledge and he is a nice guy, but he hasn't gotten any smarter to me with age. Especially not since he left my mother. I think of my mother as a hardworking, intelligent, responsible woman, but I have thought of her that way since before high school.
 
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I can't agree with this as a general rule. There are plenty of people who, when I was a teenager, I thought they were dumb and that did not change just because I became an adult. It depends on both the teenager and the adult, although, I'd say it is more about the teenager than the adult.

There are lots of teenagers out there that are quite intelligent, very observant, and highly respectful of any adult that deserves it. We hear more about and seem to notice more often those teens that do act immature and disrespectful of adults because it is human nature to ignore that which is going right and notice what is going wrong.

There are a lot of adults out there who think they know more than they do (even ones who are teachers) and/or have a lot of biases. I had a teacher in high school who should not have been an English teacher. I know that at 16 I was smarter than her. I was respectful to her in class and around other students (with the exception of my best friend in private), but that was how I was raised. I have had several teachers who did not know how to teach well, they just put out the material or gave an assignment without being willing or able to help the students with any problems. The issues arise when a teenager is disrespectful to teachers, whether the teacher is a good teacher or a bad one. Problems with teachers that will actually affect a students learning should be dealt with through a student's parents or other adults, not complained about/brought up in front of other students. And there are a lot of teenagers out there that do know this and do this, they just don't get recognition for it because it is the right thing to do.

Also, I consider my father an idiot with very little common sense, and I am 30. He has a lot of (useless) knowledge and he is a nice guy, but he hasn't gotten any smarter to me with age. Especially not since he left my mother. I think of my mother as a hardworking, intelligent, responsible woman, but I have thought of her that way since before high school.

"Useless knowledge" is a generational thing, a lot of what we old folks know had uses 20 years ago, but things have changed dramatically in just a few decades. It helps to keep up, being a news junky and watching a lot of science/history channel helps to keep our knowledge updated.
But some things transcend the generations. My parents fought new knowledge like it was dangerous or something, but push come to shove, if "old" people tell their kids "don't play in the street", it is wise to listen.
 
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telling me how to raise kids? WHat experience do you have raising kids?

A fight of experience! I don't need grandkids to know the basics of how to raise kids, jackass.

I will say my experience comes from having a nine year old and two year old.

Not like it matters, you have grandkids, so you win the fight of EXPERIENCE!

Our 2 are college graduates at our expense, have jobs, married, making grandchildren, in that order.

Great, so how is those relationships with them going? Have they visited anytime recently?

Leave my wife? She makes twice the money I do.....are you nuts?

I wasn't offering you advice, per say.

Did you not see the subtle sarcasm in my post? Your private school tuition was wasted, you aren't smart enough to recognize humor.

If someone fails to see humor they're dumb? Nice perspective you've got there.

What school was that?

I have no idea it was a seventeen years ago.
 
I agree to a point that there is a need for the need for children to be their own individuals but in the same token we can see how clothing can also effect the status of a child based on the "clique" theory in which clothing is used to distinguish the difference between those kids that have and those that have not. Also the wearing of certain clothing can be linked to gang activity and therefore poses a threat to those who are not really in a gang but by the wearing of a color could be associated with a gang and killed or beaten because of it.

All in all its a hard subject to say yeah or nay on.
 
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"Useless knowledge" is a generational thing, a lot of what we old folks know had uses 20 years ago, but things have changed dramatically in just a few decades. It helps to keep up, being a news junky and watching a lot of science/history channel helps to keep our knowledge updated.
But some things transcend the generations. My parents fought new knowledge like it was dangerous or something, but push come to shove, if "old" people tell their kids "don't play in the street", it is wise to listen.

I agree. I have a lot of useless knowledge myself, but my father likes to share his with everyone over and over again. And, actually, my father does resist change to an extent, but he is also very passive-aggressive. He is way more likely to let things that he doesn't agree with build up instead of facing the problems as they come along.

As far as the parents giving children good advice thing ("don't play in the street"), I just think that there are a lot of adults who believe that most teenagers don't listen to such advice or other advice from their parents. I am of the opinion that many more teenagers listen to a lot of the advice that their parents do give them, but that those teenagers that don't, get more attention (negative yes, but still attention) and so that appears to be the norm. Sure, most teenagers could listen to more of the advice that their parents give, but then again, there are many adults who could listen to more of the advice that they are given. Many adults do not give many teenagers enough credit/respect because of the actions of other teenagers, and that isn't fair. Teenagers are individuals, they are not all alike.

And not all parents are good parents. There are some parents out there who don't give their children good advice or good advice often enough. Some of those children turn out okay (generally because they are getting that advice from sources other than their parents), but many will not fair too well if they don't have the knowledge to begin with.
 
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I agree. I have a lot of useless knowledge myself, but my father likes to share his with everyone over and over again. And, actually, my father does resist change to an extent, but he is also very passive-aggressive. He is way more likely to let things that he doesn't agree with build up instead of facing the problems as they come along.

As far as the parents giving children good advice thing ("don't play in the street"), I just think that there are a lot of adults who believe that most teenagers don't listen to such advice or other advice from their parents. I am of the opinion that many more teenagers listen to a lot of the advice that their parents do give them, but that those teenagers that don't, get more attention (negative yes, but still attention) and so that appears to be the norm. Sure, most teenagers could listen to more of the advice that their parents give, but then again, there are many adults who could listen to more of the advice that they are given. Many adults do not give many teenagers enough credit/respect because of the actions of other teenagers, and that isn't fair. Teenagers are individuals, they are not all alike.

And not all parents are good parents. There are some parents out there who don't give their children good advice or good advice often enough. Some of those children turn out okay (generally because they are getting that advice from sources other than their parents), but many will not fair too well if they don't have the knowledge to begin with.

Ever read the book Toxic Parents? Mine are described in almost every chapter, except those relating to sexual abuse...I gave up on them a long time ago. They are gone now, of course. Your father could be trying to be useful. It is one of the larger difficulties with old age, you start to feel useless. Show some mercy to the old guy....:2razz:
 
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A fight of experience! I don't need grandkids to know the basics of how to raise kids, jackass. I will say my experience comes from having a nine year old and two year old.
That kind of name calling can get you reported, try to use some manners...
Not like it matters, you have grandkids, so you win the fight of EXPERIENCE!



Great, so how is those relationships with them going? Have they visited anytime recently?

Frequently, and the grandkids like to sleep over....
I wasn't offering you advice, per say.

per se
If someone fails to see humor they're dumb? Nice perspective you've got there.
Thanks, a sense of humor is an indicator of intellect..


I have no idea it was a seventeen years ago.
You can't remember your school's name? Not all that memorable, I guess.
 
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Ever read the book Toxic Parents? Mine are described in almost every chapter, except those relating to sexual abuse...I gave up on them a long time ago. They are gone now, of course. Your father could be trying to be useful. It is one of the larger difficulties with old age, you start to feel useless. Show some mercy to the old guy....:2razz:

No, my father just likes attention. I, unfortunately, got his trait of sharing useless knowledge and can't always help myself, but I do try.

That is also not the only reason that I have little respect for my father. He left my mother for an older woman 10 years ago, and eventhough all of us kids hate her and feel that their marriage is a big reason that my father's health is failing so fast, he refuses to listen to anyone else and just leave her because he doesn't want to be alone and my mother refuses to take him back (he has asked everyone of us kids to ask her if she will). And, even before all this drama, I considered my father more of an older brother who just went to work and then did his own thing, letting my mom raise the kids (eventhough she worked more hours than he did) with help from my grandmother.
 
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No, my father just likes attention. I, unfortunately, got his trait of sharing useless knowledge and can't always help myself, but I do try.

That is also not the only reason that I have little respect for my father. He left my mother for an older woman 10 years ago, and eventhough all of us kids hate her and feel that their marriage is a big reason that my father's health is failing so fast, he refuses to listen to anyone else and just leave her because he doesn't want to be alone and my mother refuses to take him back (he has asked everyone of us kids to ask her if she will). And, even before all this drama, I considered my father more of an older brother who just went to work and then did his own thing, letting my mom raise the kids (eventhough she worked more hours than he did) with help from my grandmother.

I can understand your point of view....in my family, it was Mom that stirred up stuff and dad who was too weak to tell her to shut up. He finally did, when I was 17 and having to put up with her crap pretty much alone. THe older 3 had already bailed, each at 17, quitting school to join the military or get married. Odd thing, she did shut up....all it took was for dad to finally speak up....
I solved the problem by moving far away and cutting off contact with them. Our kids have not been exposed to them, and that is a good thing..
 
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A fight of experience! I don't need grandkids to know the basics of how to raise kids, jackass.

I will say my experience comes from having a nine year old and two year old.

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9 and 2? you haven't raised them yet!!! You got a real treat coming....the TEEN YEARS....:2razz:
 
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*Sigh* You poor thing.

Wow, you really just proved your own hypocrisy for calling me arrogant and condescending.

9 and 2? you haven't raised them yet!!! You got a real treat coming....the TEEN YEARS....:2razz:

At the ages Henrin is talking about being a good parent is far more relevant. Only if you are a control freak who looks down on your kids would you think raising the average teenager is harder.
 
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Wow, you really just proved your own hypocrisy for calling me arrogant and condescending.

At the ages Henrin is talking about being a good parent is far more relevant. Only if you are a control freak who looks down on your kids would you think raising the average teenager is harder.

Feeling pity isn't condescending or arrogant.
 
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I would not doubt that comment, but that does not mean they have nearly enough wisdom or that someone much younger than them cannot have more wisdom.

Obviously... so? Just look at Utah here, he is far older than me and I am much more wise than he.

There is no need for me to read anything into it as that is what was being said.

I said you were inferior? Provide a link please or kindly keep your inferiority complex to yourself...

I don't doubt that you got the same impression. On this matter you are like-minded so it is quite natural that you would use the same fallacious reasoning.

Then kindly display the fallacy...

Obviously because you are quite confident in yourself.

Argumentative... one can be confident in some aspects of themselves and not in others.

It has everything to do with seeing them as inferior. That premise seeps out of every word you people type.

Naive is not inferior... sorry.

I pondered a lot of things as a child that were not of a simplistic nature.

I didn't say simplistic, I said "conscious". You really need to start reading better...

I have never stated my age anywhere on this forum. All I said is that I had already turned 18 a while ago.

I believe you actually said, "a short time ago".

All in all, you have your opinion based off of nothing other than lack of experience. Good for you. Keep telling us that have gone through the experiences ourself that we don't know what we are talking about. If anything, I would argue that you have an inferiority complex that you mask with a ridiculous amount of arrogance. It seems to seep from every word that you say...
 
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Yes. Very shortly, the teenagers will be grounded and sent to their rooms.

...but they will be right and we will still be oppressive control minded idiots...
 
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A fight of experience! I don't need grandkids to know the basics of how to raise kids, jackass.

Way to demonstrate respect, Henrin.

I will say my experience comes from having a nine year old and two year old.

Not like it matters, you have grandkids, so you win the fight of EXPERIENCE!

You can say whatever you like. There is no way for us to check it out, anyway.




I wasn't offering you advice, per say.

Good thing.

I have no idea it was a seventeen years ago.

You don't remember what school you went to seventeen years ago?

I think that answers UtahBill's speculation above. I don't think you're a foreigner struggling with English. Must be the other option.
 
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