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Uniforms in public schools...

Which of these statements do you agree with most?


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Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

It's a single research study that has been rendered obsolete by more current research. See, if you had a good education, you'd understand these things.

Like research from the uk? :lol:
 
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Most uniforms in public schools are commensurate with parents' financial circumstances, and typically include khaki pants/skirts/shorts that can be worn anywhere, with a single-colored polo or cotton shirt.

I'd suggest that these items could be purchased at goodwill and/or any other inexpensive store (Target, anyone?). Target, Walmart, and Old Navy all carry uniform-style clothing that will work with most schools' uniform codes.

Most, but you couldn't guarantee all. And, it would depend on how restrictive the uniform codes are. I took the question to mean actual uniforms, not just a very restrictive dress code.

Like I said, it should depend on the school, not one policy for the entire nation or even state. Not every school needs uniforms, or even a horribly restrictive dress code to ensure the students are not being distracted or not being harassed because of their clothing.
 
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Most, but you couldn't guarantee all. And, it would depend on how restrictive the uniform codes are. I took the question to mean actual uniforms, not just a very restrictive dress code.

Like I said, it should depend on the school, not one policy for the entire nation or even state. Not every school needs uniforms, or even a horribly restrictive dress code to ensure the students are not being distracted or not being harassed because of their clothing.
All schools should have uniforms for students, and a dress code for teachers. The particulars should be decided on locally, not centrally, but there should be a uniform.

Some teachers dress like they're ready for a day at the ballpark, not like they're setting an example for kids. That is unfortunate, and shouldn't be allowed. Some students dress like they're studying to be street people, hookers, or perhaps gangbangers. That shouldn't be allowed, neither by parents nor by schools.

Both teachers and students need to show some pride!
 
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Teenagers who took part in the Oxford Brookes University survey said dress codes acted as a social leveller and reduced the risk of children being picked on for wearing "weird" clothes

Read more: School uniform improves pupils' behaviour both in and out of school | Mail Online

A survey is the raw data for a study, or did you miss that in school?

Except it only mentions a survey. A survey is just a poll and in this case it literally is just asking how students feel about uniforms, in a country that primarily uses uniforms. On the other hand, I presented a real study that actually looks at something more than what the kids think.

You did that (turned 18) a very short time ago, based on the content of your posts.

You mean the fact I disagree with you. Believe it or not, someone can have a problem with the state trying to manipulate kids without actually being one.

When you have children of your own, which won't be for several more years hopefully, you will change your mind. When you do, you can come back here and tell us you were wrong. Until then, you won't recognize that you are no matter what the rest of us say.

Such arrogance. Is that something you gain with "experience" as well? Actually, I imagine that is just a trait you failed to grow out of over those many years.

I turned 18 a while back, too, about 50 years back to be exact.

All that tells me is that you may very well have some antiquated notions and you think the number of times the Earth has gone around the sun since you sprang from your mother's loins gives you some mystical knowledge of the world inaccessible to those who have not gone through what you have gone through. I get that you may not take kindly to the notion that someone can know as much or more than you about the world without having to live as long as you, but it does not mean it is not the case.

I have three wonderful grandsons who wouldn't be so wonderful without that terribe authoritarian style of rule their parents subject them to.

How do you know they wouldn't? Did you use your time machine to go back and see how they turned out when raised differently? The truth is you do not know exactly why people turn out the way they do and instead rely on what your gut tells you is the right answer, your gut responding to your preconceptions about what will be the right answer.

Your survey dates to 1997.

Are you saying that the effect of school uniforms is time-sensitive?

It's a single research study that has been rendered obsolete by more current research. See, if you had a good education, you'd understand these things.

Obviously you needed a better education, because that is not how it works at all. You cited an opinion poll of teenagers in the UK and that does not in any way trump a study that takes into account actual facts. Even if your "study" wasn't just an opinion poll one study being more recent does not magically give it more authority. It is fallacious to argue otherwise.
 
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My post:

I have three wonderful grandsons who wouldn't be so wonderful without that terribe authoritarian style of rule their parents subject them to.

How do you know they wouldn't? Did you use your time machine to go back and see how they turned out when raised differently? The truth is you do not know exactly why people turn out the way they do and instead rely on what your gut tells you is the right answer, your gut responding to your preconceptions about what will be the right answer.

Because of that experience you seem to think isn't important. After thirty eight years of teaching other people's children, I can tell you with no doubt at all that kids who are allowed to do whatever they like don't turn out so well. Parents have to set limits. I can also tell from your posts that you lack that essential you seem to think is unimportant: Experience.

Oh, yes, and 50 years ago, I would have totally agreed with this one:

All that tells me is that you may very well have some antiquated notions and you think the number of times the Earth has gone around the sun since you sprang from your mother's loins gives you some mystical knowledge of the world inaccessible to those who have not gone through what you have gone through. I get that you may not take kindly to the notion that someone can know as much or more than you about the world without having to live as long as you, but it does not mean it is not the case.

And even said similar things myself.
 
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I'm not paranoid. See that guy over there that keeps staring at me? He's paranoid.

So your point is that it's OK on the kids because there are hundreds of different uniforms being worn today by adults? There is also a large portion of the population that does not wear a uniform. Do not forget these people. You, are probably one of us. Did you wear a uniform during your compulsory education years?

What? You are now turning it around... you are saying that it is military indocrination. I am pointing out the fallacy in that. There are many careers that entail wearing a uniform. Sorry, you have a nice opinion... but that's it.

Originally Posted by Dittohead not!
Yes, and noticing when kids are behaving themselves, and thinking, "What a great school that must be!"

It's about pride in oneself, as well as pride in one's school.

Yep... we get calls like that as well, but not as many. People tend to point out the negative in agrander scale for some reason.
 
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I wonder if society should just do uniforms. Afterall, it improves behavior.

Oh yeah, that is wrong. Funny how that works.

Well not to people that think dictators will do something they like. :lol:

Perhaps you can offer evidence instead of your boring little opinion?

...and people should be proud in everything they do, as well as where they live, work and how they dress, among other things.

I shouldn't continue, but...

Dude, you haven't said ****... a bonobo is born every minute.

Originally Posted by Demon of Light
You know, speaking as someone who went to a school without uniforms I have to say that people were not "distracted" by the clothing other people wear. I mean, if a person is wearing something new other students might make a remark, but generally these are at times when such conversation is allowed.

Maybe you weren't, but in the overall sense, it is quite distracting. That is not my main reason though...

"Self-expression zones" huh?

I have no idea were you get that from what I said...
 
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What are you talking about? Seriously. Diamonds?

School is different from everyday life because you're a CHILD. And children, in addition to having a lot of other annoying chararcteristics, are not able to concentrate as well as adults. Which is why you see such dramatic improvements in schools where uniforms are worn.

Liberty, Kelzie... why can't you grasp this! ;)
 
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Already did that a while ago, that does not mean I have any newfound love for social control. The demand for conformity and the authoritarian style of rule are just as repulsive to me now as they ever were.

Studies show that children not only need structure (control) but want it... and wtf am I debating parenting with you for. 19, 20 years old? good grief.
 
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Uh huh. Let me know when you have either logic or a scientific study to offer.

We have three angry teenagers debating a bunch of parents and teachers... think that we will reach any compromise?
 
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Liberty, Kelzie... why can't you grasp this! ;)

You are forgetting that Kelzie is female....
to women, liberty is something that they have the power to grant, or take away.
To us guys, we have a little liberty in that short time between being told what to do by our mothers, and that time we are told what to do by our wives....

You are still young, you will understand soon enough...:2razz:
 
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You are forgetting that Kelzie is female....
to women, liberty is something that they have the power to grant, or take away.
To us guys, we have a little liberty in that short time between being told what to do by our mothers, and that time we are told what to do by our wives....

You are still young, you will understand soon enough...:2razz:

So true it brings a tear to my eye. *sniffle*
 
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We have three angry teenagers debating a bunch of parents and teachers... think that we will reach any compromise?

I just had a great conversation with my friend who's a teacher about kids disagreeing. Her typical response is "I'm sorry, you thought I was asking you a question, but I'm telling you a fact."

You couldn't pay me enough to teach.
 
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I just had a great conversation with my friend who's a teacher about kids disagreeing. Her typical response is "I'm sorry, you thought I was asking you a question, but I'm telling you a fact."

You couldn't pay me enough to teach.

That is a great one... they pay me "enough"... barely. It is the time off that makes it rock to be a teacher. Sitting here 2 weeks in to a 6 week summer. Just got back from all day at beach with kids and about to go golfing. Rough.
 
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That is a great one... they pay me "enough"... barely. It is the time off that makes it rock to be a teacher. Sitting here 2 weeks in to a 6 week summer. Just got back from all day at beach with kids and about to go golfing. Rough.

Yeah well, I'm sure I'll be jealous of her when our summer rolls around too.
 
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Because of that experience you seem to think isn't important.

Oh please, the whole "I am older and have gone through more so I have the experience to tell me that I am right" is something I have heard to justify all sorts of positions. If what you were saying were somehow different from what I have heard when discussing foreign policy or criminal justice with people older than me I might give the baseless claim some weight. Rather all I am getting from you is that you do not have an adequate explanation for why you think you are right, most likely because it is purely your gut feeling and not something based in reason, and thus go for a cop-out.

After thirty eight years of teaching other people's children, I can tell you with no doubt at all that kids who are allowed to do whatever they like don't turn out so well. Parents have to set limits.

You are exhibiting the typical authoritarian mindset. That is to say you think that without exercising control over others and manipulating them the only other possible outcome is chaos.

I can also tell from your posts that you lack that essential you seem to think is unimportant: Experience.

You cannot tell anything from my posts. Do not act like you are some sort of psychic. Rather you refuse to believe that someone can differ from you on this without being a child and thus beneath you.

Oh, yes, and 50 years ago, I would have totally agreed with this one:



And even said similar things myself.

I have no doubt that you did not know more than your seniors. Actually, it seems most of the people on here who are so insistent that anyone under the age of 20 is an inferior being were irresponsible pricks at that age. So I am not surprised you would assume everyone has to be that way at such an age.

Studies show that children not only need structure (control) but want it... and wtf am I debating parenting with you for. 19, 20 years old? good grief.

I cannot think of any time when I was a child that I wanted people to control me. I like how people like you presume you know my age and then presume from your initial presumption that I must be inferior to you. Sorry, but you are not that good.
 
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I like how people like you presume you know my age and then presume from your initial presumption that I must be inferior to you. Sorry, but you are not that good.

....oh I don't think it's your age that's the problem.
 
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....oh I don't think it's your age that's the problem.

I would love to hear what you think is the problem.
 
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I would love to hear what you think is the problem.

Honestly? That you're being arrogant and condescending. And your posts lack any substance other than you trying to bully people.

There's actually a number of studies out there that would back up your argument. Use some of them. Nicely.
 
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Oh please, the whole "I am older and have gone through more so I have the experience to tell me that I am right" is something I have heard to justify all sorts of positions.

...and generally people who have gone through more have more wisdom on the subject. Pretty simpler really...

You are exhibiting the typical authoritarian mindset. That is to say you think that without exercising control over others and manipulating them the only other possible outcome is chaos.

I don't think that anybody is anywhere close to indicating that. If you are reading into that, then that is your problem...

You cannot tell anything from my posts. Do not act like you are some sort of psychic.

Actually, not only have I gotten the same exact impression as he, but I have written to that fact a number of times. "Naive" ring a bell?

Rather you refuse to believe that someone can differ from you on this without being a child and thus beneath you.

I gain many insights from people younger than me, much younger sometimes... just not you with regards to this.

I have no doubt that you did not know more than your seniors. Actually, it seems most of the people on here who are so insistent that anyone under the age of 20 is an inferior being were irresponsible pricks at that age. So I am not surprised you would assume everyone has to be that way at such an age.

It has nothing to do with being inferior. Stop the drama already... it has to do with experience in the matter, something that you clearly and repeatedly show that you do not have. Hence, your opinions are next to worthless.

I cannot think of any time when I was a child that I wanted people to control me. I like how people like you presume you know my age and then presume from your initial presumption that I must be inferior to you. Sorry, but you are not that good.

Against you I am... and it is nothing that a child consciously ponders. More naivety...

...and I presume nothing. You said that you were 18 just a short time ago, or something, not me.
 
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How does it go? when I was a child, I thought my father stupid, but when I became an adult, my father somehow got smarter.....
The problem with SOME kids, they don't learn, they grow to adults thinking they already have all the answers. We can only hope they don't reproduce before their brains get unscrambled...
 
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How does it go? when I was a child, I thought my father stupid, but when I became an adult, my father somehow got smarter.....
The problem with SOME kids, they don't learn, they grow to adults thinking they already have all the answers. We can only hope they don't reproduce before their brains get unscrambled...

aint that the truth... all adults suddenly started to sound smarter, really. but my dad specifically. I always thought he was smart, I just didn't know he was so insightful and aware.
 
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aint that the truth... all adults suddenly started to sound smarter, really. but my dad specifically. I always thought he was smart, I just didn't know he was so insightful and aware.

Whatev. My dad still has no idea what he's talking about. Guess who the only Republican is in the family. :mrgreen:
 
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Honestly? That you're being arrogant and condescending.

Wow, that is sooo hypocritical!:lamo

There's actually a number of studies out there that would back up your argument. Use some of them. Nicely.

I already provided one thank you very much.

...and generally people who have gone through more have more wisdom on the subject. Pretty simpler really...

I would not doubt that comment, but that does not mean they have nearly enough wisdom or that someone much younger than them cannot have more wisdom.

I don't think that anybody is anywhere close to indicating that. If you are reading into that, then that is your problem...

There is no need for me to read anything into it as that is what was being said.

Actually, not only have I gotten the same exact impression as he, but I have written to that fact a number of times. "Naive" ring a bell?

I don't doubt that you got the same impression. On this matter you are like-minded so it is quite natural that you would use the same fallacious reasoning.

I gain many insights from people younger than me, much younger sometimes... just not you with regards to this.

Obviously because you are quite confident in yourself.

It has nothing to do with being inferior. Stop the drama already... it has to do with experience in the matter, something that you clearly and repeatedly show that you do not have. Hence, your opinions are next to worthless.

It has everything to do with seeing them as inferior. That premise seeps out of every word you people type.

Against you I am... and it is nothing that a child consciously ponders. More naivety...

I pondered a lot of things as a child that were not of a simplistic nature.

...and I presume nothing. You said that you were 18 just a short time ago, or something, not me.

I have never stated my age anywhere on this forum. All I said is that I had already turned 18 a while ago.

How does it go? when I was a child, I thought my father stupid, but when I became an adult, my father somehow got smarter....

Again, I am not surprised that it worked that way for certain people here, but that does not mean it works that way for everyone. By that I mean sometimes the impressions someone has as a "child" are fully justified. Still, I never really went through a time in my childhood where I saw my parents as "stupid" and rather always tried to see both sides of a situation.
 
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*Sigh* You poor thing.
 
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