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How much should cops be paid?

How much should cops make in a year, on average?

  • Less than 50K starting

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • 50-60K starting

    Votes: 11 30.6%

  • 60-80K starting

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • 80K-100K starting

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 100K and up

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    36
TurtleDude said:
I guess the point I make is that the ones I constantly deal with are pretty damn good. The ones in my city, the ones in the town where my son goes to school and the CPD are top flight. So as far as I know whatever they are paying them is getting really good people.
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And the problem is that more people want to give them a higher salary. I wonder who could be behind wanting to get public servants a higher salary......
 
Goshin said:
I didn't work in a large metro area, Maggie. I worked in a small city of 50,000, and the surrounding suburban and rural countryside. Want me to list some of the crimes I was involved with as an cop?
Murder
Child abuse, including what can only be called torture.
Rape, spouse abuse.
Rape of minor children.
Manslaughter
Armed Robbery, strongarm robbery, burglary, bank robbery, attempted murder, attempted rape.... the list is as long as the state Code of Laws.
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Want me to list of the crimes I have been involved as a landlord?
Assault
robbery
Armed robbery
Armed assault
Fraud
attacks by police officers
damage to private property numbering in the 1000s
attempted rape
attempted murder
loss of money because tenant would not pay
I could go on and on. But you wouldn't believe how bad we have it compare to you guys. Why? Because society views every landlord as a slumlord and we get treated as such by you, judges, etc. And frankly we are not making that much money. If we get 3000 a month from rent a third of that goes to insurance, another third goes to taxes, and then 200-400 goes to maintance. So yeah.
 
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MaggieD said:
It is very difficult to quantify jobs one-on- one like that, in my opinion. I don't know what the average accountant's starting salary is in the Chicago area. I do know that whatever it is, I, as a taxpayer, don't have to pay it.
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You're saying that the city of Chicago and Cook County (not to mention the state of Illinois) don't employ accountants?

Really? Are you actually saying that?

Because, I looked it up, and accountant/financial types in cook county start at around 41k a year. There are accounting clerks in Cook County making more than an experienced cop.

I'd do it in a heartbeat "if I knew then what I know now" -- teacher/fireman/copper/federal-state employee.
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It's a shame you didn't, the law enforcement profession needs common sense types.

At least you admit your bias. I was offered the job as Admin Asst. to the Chief of Police in my little town. I shoulda' taken it in hindsight. When middle-class people are being squeezed out of their neighborhoods and out of their homes because they cannot afford to pay the property taxes that are assessed due to the most generous salaries provided to our public servants, something is wrong.
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City salaries should be a reflection of earning levels in the local community.

But...consider this. What about areas where there are a lot of problems and poverty? Do you want to be able to draw a qualified pool of applicants to work in those areas? Because think about it...doing government work in those areas (whether it is as a teacher or a cop) is going to be a lot more difficult there. In order to compete with other jurisdictions in the same metro area, you have to have comparable salaries.
 
MaggieD said:
Outside of large metro areas, most police officers are not subject to the travails you describe.
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If you look at the people who were killed in the line of duty in the U.S. last year, you'd find that about half were in rural areas. See, domestic violence, aggravated assault, drug trafficking, meth cooking, etc., isn't non-existent in those rural areas. You just have less backup/manpower to deal with them.

YOu may have a point about some of the affluent communities with low crime rates. But, even in the suburbs, law enforcement work can be extremely dangerous.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Want me to list of the crimes I have been involved as a landlord?
Assault
robbery
Armed robbery
Armed assault
Fraud
attacks by police officers
damage to private property numbering in the 1000s
attempted rape
attempted murder
loss of money because tenant would not pay
I could go on and on. But you wouldn't believe how bad we have it compare to you guys. Why? Because society views every landlord as a slumlord and we get treated as such by you, judges, etc. And frankly we are not making that much money. If we get 3000 a month from rent a third of that goes to insurance, another third goes to taxes, and then 200-400 goes to maintance. So yeah.
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If these are the activities happening in and around your properties, you ARE a slumlord. :roll:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
If these are the activities happening in and around your properties, you ARE a slumlord. :roll:
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In large metropolitan areas, one doesn't have to be a slum lord to experience these problems. There is an apartment complex about six miles from my home where all of these things happen....even the attempted murder. In fact, one mom was murdered by her boyfriend's baby's momma by cutting the 8-month fetus out of her womb. These are (were) nice apartments that have reverted to low-income housing paid for by the good ole' USA via Section 8 Housing -- privately owned by poor-sap investors who hardly knew any better when they bought.

The owners of these buildings do the best they can and, frankly, I don't know why someone would want to invest in them as the problems are many -- and our landlord/tenant laws are greatly biased in favor of the tenant. There are professional rent dodgers who move in with their first month and security -- and never pay another month's rent...knowing that it will take the landlord months to go through an eviction proceeding. Often a landlord will actually pay them money to move. It ain't easy.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
If these are the activities happening in and around your properties, you ARE a slumlord. :roll:
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Says the ignorant with no idea of what effort it takes to watch over a tenant.
 
MaggieD said:
In large metropolitan areas, one doesn't have to be a slum lord to experience these problems. There is an apartment complex about six miles from my home where all of these things happen....even the attempted murder. In fact, one mom was murdered by her boyfriend's baby's momma by cutting the 8-month fetus out of her womb. These are (were) nice apartments that have reverted to low-income housing paid for by the good ole' USA via Section 8 Housing -- privately owned by poor-sap investors who hardly knew any better when they bought.

The owners of these buildings do the best they can and, frankly, I don't know why someone would want to invest in them as the problems are many -- and our landlord/tenant laws are greatly biased in favor of the tenant. There are professional rent dodgers who move in with their first month and security -- and never pay another month's rent...knowing that it will take the landlord months to go through an eviction proceeding. Often a landlord will actually pay them money to move. It ain't easy.
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We had one of those. It took us a year to get the person out. All thanks to the incompetance of the cook county sheriff department. They canceled four times on us and the times they did go. The tenant showed them a paper and they did not bother evicting the tenant or asking him any questions. Our lawyer was upset and said that the sheriffs were idiots for not taking any information on what the tenant was showing them. But oh well. According to Catz those sheriffs are good guys and that rent dodger was a good guy.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
We had one of those. It took us a year to get the person out. All thanks to the incompetance of the cook county sheriff department. They canceled four times on us and the times they did go. The tenant showed them a paper and they did not bother evicting the tenant or asking him any questions. Our lawyer was upset and said that the sheriffs were idiots for not taking any information on what the tenant was showing them. But oh well. According to Catz those sheriffs are good guys and that rent dodger was a good guy.
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Didn't know you were in the Chicago area. The complex I'm talking about is located in Addison. I feel your pain. ;-)
 
MaggieD said:
Didn't know you were in the Chicago area. The complex I'm talking about is located in Addison. I feel your pain. ;-)
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Yeah, the apartment complexs and rental units I am talking about are in Westchester, Brookfield, Lyons.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Says the ignorant with no idea of what effort it takes to watch over a tenant.
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My parents owned multiple rental properties when I was growing up, and I spent many evenings and weekends cleaning up after sloppy disgusting people. Most recently, one of their properties was raided because the tenant (actually, her skeezy boyfriend) was cooking methamphetamine on the premises. I've spent the past year rehabbing an investment property in the city here with my boyfriend.

Beyond that, I've worked extensively with rental properties in the inner city as an employee of the police department. I know quite a bit more than you've assumed.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
My parents owned multiple rental properties when I was growing up, and I spent many evenings and weekends cleaning up after sloppy disgusting people. Most recently, one of their properties was raided because the tenant (actually, her skeezy boyfriend) was cooking methamphetamine on the premises. I've spent the past year rehabbing an investment property in the city here with my boyfriend.

Beyond that, I've worked extensively with rental properties in the inner city as an employee of the police department. I know quite a bit more than you've assumed.
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Yes, you do. So then why the cheap shot?
 
I believe that logging and commercial fishing are the two most dangerous somewhat common jobs.
 
MaggieD said:
why the cheap shot?
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It is not a cheap shot to point out the obvious that when a landlord is dealing with high levels of crime IN THEIR PROPERTY, they are a slumlord. :roll: It's a voluntary act on the part of a landlord to go through the process of accepting section 8 tenants, for one thing, and if you do so, you know what you're going to get. This ain't rocket science.

Furthermore, it was a response to an attempted cheap shot by Gray.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I believe that logging and commercial fishing are the two most dangerous somewhat common jobs.
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Well, you've opened a can of worms, Turtle, you little devil!!

#1 Fishing Industry
#2 Timber industry
#3 Farmer/Rancher
#4 Structrural Iron/Steel
#5 Sanitation Workers
#6 Aircraft Pilots
#7 Roofers
#8 Coal Miner
#9 Merchant Mariner
#10 Millers (grain handlers)

LEO are #12
Firemen/women #13

Hmmmmm........

http://hubpages.com/hub/Most_Dangerous_Jobs
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
It is not a cheap shot to point out the obvious that when a landlord is dealing with high levels of crime IN THEIR PROPERTY, they are a slumlord. :roll: It's a voluntary act on the part of a landlord to go through the process of accepting section 8 tenants, for one thing, and if you do so, you know what you're going to get. This ain't rocket science.

Furthermore, it was a response to an attempted cheap shot by Gray.
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Really? So having Section 8 tenants means you're a slum lord? Really?

A slum lord is someone who profits off the misery of their tenants...not someone who owns a building in a high crime area.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
It is not a cheap shot to point out the obvious that when a landlord is dealing with high levels of crime IN THEIR PROPERTY, they are a slumlord. :roll: It's a voluntary act on the part of a landlord to go through the process of accepting section 8 tenants, for one thing, and if you do so, you know what you're going to get. This ain't rocket science.

Furthermore, it was a response to an attempted cheap shot by Gray.
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We have only accepted two section 8 tenants. The first one was an old lady who needed it. And caused no trouble. The second caused A LOT of trouble. And the government had their backs over ours for everything. Also, I was not saying all of this is currently happening. But stuff that has happened. You should know that you can't control tenants. Sometimes you get stuck with bad people.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
You should know that you can't control tenants. Sometimes you get stuck with bad people.
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You have a lot of control over the condition of your property, and subsequently, who wants to rent it. If you were bitching about an isolated incident that occurred in/on your property, I'd be nothing but sympathetic. But, you've attempted to brag that you've experienced worse problems in your rental properties than the average cop experiences on the job.

You can't have it both ways, chump. Either you're renting property that is only occupied by the worst of the worst, aka slums; or you've exaggerated the problems in your rental properties to make a point.

So, which is it?
 
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MaggieD said:
A slum lord is someone who profits off the misery of their tenants...not someone who owns a building in a high crime area.
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So, you consider that a normal level of crime that Gray Wolf listed? I don't.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
You have a lot of control over the condition of your property, and subsequently, who wants to rent it. If you were bitching about an isolated incident that occurred in/on your property, I'd be nothing but sympathetic. But, you've attempted to brag that you've experienced worse problems in your rental properties than the average cop experiences on the job.

You can't have it both ways, chump. Either you're renting property that is only occupied by the worst of the worst, aka slums; or you've exaggerated the problems in your rental properties to make a point.

So, which is it?
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You really must live in a redneck riviera. Because here in Chicago area whats a slum is definately the last place you would ever want to be in. Maybe not so in the South from where you are from. We take care of our properties. So yeah you fail.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
So, you consider that a normal level of crime that Gray Wolf listed? I don't.
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Yes, its pretty common here is an example. Say a tenant breaks a faucet intentionally and substitutes the cost of having it fixed in the months rent. They are faking a receipt-fraud-they are damaging private property-another crime, and for the month's rent they substitute $180 dollars of the $800 they owned. Which is robbery in a way. You see the crimes add up.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
You really must live in a redneck riviera. Because here in Chicago area whats a slum is definately the last place you would ever want to be in. Maybe not so in the South from where you are from. We take care of our properties. So yeah you fail.
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Your claims:

Gray_Fox_86 said:
Want me to list of the crimes I have been involved as a landlord?
Assault
robbery
Armed robbery
Armed assault
Fraud
attacks by police officers
damage to private property numbering in the 1000s
attempted rape
attempted murder
loss of money because tenant would not pay
I could go on and on.
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You claim to have experienced ALL OF THESE incidents in rental properties that you own. Then, you claim that you aren't a slumlord.

I find at least one of these positions to be bull****. Either you're exaggerating the extent of problems that you have to deal with on your premises, or you're renting to a lot of criminals (aka: your property sucks and these are the best tenants you can get).

I do live in a small southern town, but I work on urban crime issues, and have spent time in Chicago, Camden, Detroit, Los Angeles, Durham, Birmingham, Milwaukee, Columbus, San Francisco, and a number of other large cities with major crime problems in the past year, providing guidance on their law enforcement responses to crimes. I deal with crime data on a daily basis. I have a pretty good nose for normal levels of criminal activity within a location, because that's part of what I do for a living.

My guess is...you overstated your list, mainly because you don't like cops.

In particular, the claim: "Attacks by cops."

Lulz.

Your posts simply aren't credible at this point. And, of course, that's why you resort to ad hominem attacks.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
So, you consider that a normal level of crime that Gray Wolf listed? I don't.
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Assault
robbery
Armed robbery
Armed assault
Fraud
attacks by police officers
damage to private property numbering in the 1000s
attempted rape
attempted murder
loss of money because tenant would not pay
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Did you not read my post about boyfriend's baby's momma? Apartment complexes in metro areas are high crime sub-neighborhoods. You obviously don't live in a large metropolitan area. Or else, by default, the Chicago area is a danger- and crime-ridden neck of the woods. Tom drives a cab. That apartment subdivision I talked about? He won't even pull in there. They sell drugs, have gangs, rob, assault, yeah, it's all there.

Addison, IL -- population 35,000; white 75%; hispanic just about the rest. Median income $54,000; 18 miles from downtown Chicago.
 
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