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Do You believe Noah?

Do you believe Noah?

  • Im Christian. I believe his age and the Ark

    Votes: 8 11.4%

  • Im Christian. I dont believe the Ark. I believe his age

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Im Christian. I dont believe his age but I believe the Ark.

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Im Christian. I dont believe EITHER his age nor the Ark.

    Votes: 8 11.4%

  • Not Christian but I believe both the age and the Ark

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Not Christian and its total and utter rubbish!

    Votes: 42 60.0%

  • Other / I dont Know

    Votes: 8 11.4%
  • Total voters
    70
The Giant Noodle said:
THe Bible says this fella Noah lived about 900 years...... built a HUUUUUGE ship and put 2 of EVERY animal on that boat. The logistics of finding not just EVERY animal, but then getting it to the ship..... then not having the animals eat each other.... or eat Noah..... and then you have enough fresh water and FOOD to FEED the animals.......
Well...... what do YOU think?
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The first few chapters of Genesis are allegory. You know, atheists have better material than this.
 
UtahBill said:
What makes you more deserving of divine intervention, more than the guy who wasn't so lucky?
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that's the thing about divine intervention...you don't have to deserve it.
 
OscarB63 said:
that's the thing about divine intervention...you don't have to deserve it.
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Did the other people deserve to die? Why did God withhold help from them?

For that matter, when God could easily have intervened on 9/11, why didn't he? It would have been easy for him. After all, he did it for you.
 
One thing to note, our God must be more powerful than their god, based on body count alone. :shock:

that was sarcasm, people.....
 
The story is nonsense, the product of primitive minds who didn't understand the world around them. That anyone would believe in such ridiculous things today is pathetic. The ark, as described in the Bible, was completely unseaworthy and there simply isn't enough water on the planet, by several orders of magnitude, to flood the entire planet as described. You couldn't fit all of the animals on the ark, or even ten arks, even if, by some miracle, you could get them all together. And isn't it funny that when all the animals were trudging back home, none of them died and left fossils anywhere but where they originated?

The idea that anyone takes this, or most Bible stories seriously, is absurd. Faith is not an excuse for irrationality.
 
Just to be clear, it was 2 of every unclean animal and 7 of every clean animal.
 
phattonez said:
Just to be clear, it was 2 of every unclean animal and 7 of every clean animal.
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well, it was raining, so all the animals would've been clean.
 
Hatuey said:
Yes. Its called science and logic. If someone shoots at you and misses it is because they did not properly calculate where their gun should be aimed at in order to hit a target.
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Sorry, that's not proof. Can you prove that God id not cause them to miscalculate?

I'm not saying God did, or did not. I am simply stating that you cannot difinitivley PROVE what you're saying.
 
I cannot believe nor disbelieve any man who never spoke to me or wrote any words to me.
 
Whovian said:
Sorry, that's not proof. Can you prove that God id not cause them to miscalculate?

I'm not saying God did, or did not. I am simply stating that you cannot difinitivley PROVE what you're saying.
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The burden of proof is on the affirmative to prove that God divinely intervened. And, exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.
 
The ark I don't believe, but the age is interesting. Depending on what type of calender they were using, I can see some one living to be 900.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The burden of proof is on the affirmative to prove that God divinely intervened. And, exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.
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I don't have to prove squat, afterall...If I am right and you are wrong, it is ya'lls asses, not mine, that will be burning in hell. If you are right and I am wrong...what have I lost?
 
soccerboy22 said:
The ark I don't believe, but the age is interesting. Depending on what type of calender they were using, I can see some one living to be 900.
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have you ever noticed that once a person hits about 80 there is not much change in their appearance after that? some old biddy who is 104 looks pretty much the same as some old biddy who is 84.
 
OscarB63 said:
have you ever noticed that once a person hits about 80 there is not much change in their appearance after that? some old biddy who is 104 looks pretty much the same as some old biddy who is 84.
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Not really. I don't hang around that many old people. But my point was let says a year to those who would have lived in Noah's time was a month. And then let's assume Noah was one of the lucky ones that had a long life. It is easy to see why some might have believed he was 900. Now I don't believe this, but when I was in high school it was how our priest explained it to us and I thought it was interesting.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Not really. I don't hang around that many old people. But my point was let says a year to those who would have lived in Noah's time was a month. And then let's assume Noah was one of the lucky ones that had a long life. It is easy to see why some might have believed he was 900. Now I don't believe this, but when I was in high school it was how our priest explained it to us and I thought it was interesting.
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and maybe back then there weren't as many nasty chemicals and pollutants floating around creating free radicals to break down cells as easily. people weren't sedentary.

I think 900 is astretch, but I don't see any reason why they couldn't have lived much longer than we do.
 
OscarB63 said:
I don't have to prove squat, afterall...If I am right and you are wrong, it is ya'lls asses, not mine, that will be burning in hell. If you are right and I am wrong...what have I lost?
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Oh, gosh. I'm really terrified now. I guess that this means that you don't have a rational answer to the rebuttals of your challenge re: divine protection.

For the record, Pascal's wager was discredited a while ago, Oscar. Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As far as what you've lost...you've spent your life subjugating your choices and will to a human interpretation of an imaginary being. You've forced yourself through daily mental contortions in order to maintain your faith in the unbelievable (i.e., Noah was 900 years old). You've lost 1 out of every 7 days. You've contributed 10% of your income to a myth that accomplishes nothing. That's a significant loss, in my book.

The threat of an imaginary hell doesn't scare me.
 
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OscarB63 said:
and maybe back then there weren't as many nasty chemicals and pollutants floating around creating free radicals to break down cells as easily. people weren't sedentary.

I think 900 is astretch, but I don't see any reason why they couldn't have lived much longer than we do.
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It amazes me how hard people have to try to believe the unbelievable.
 
OscarB63 said:
I don't have to prove squat, afterall...If I am right and you are wrong, it is ya'lls asses, not mine, that will be burning in hell. If you are right and I am wrong...what have I lost?
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Unless the Muslims are right, and in that case we should really kiss our sweet asses good bye because their hell topples the Christian hell. That's also assuming that you believe in the perfectly correct type of Christianity with the right beliefs and have made the right propitiations.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The burden of proof is on the affirmative to prove that God divinely intervened. And, exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.
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That's my whole point... it's not really a matter of 'prove God did this'... or 'prove God did NOT do this'... there is no 'proof' one way or the other. You can say 'statistics show' or 'random chance says' all you want, but it's not 'proof' in either direction.
 
I think at some point there was a major flood through human controlled areas which gave rise to the flood stories. Since these stories are so pervasive throughout different cultures, it seems reasonable that at some time there was a major flood event. However, as it relates literally to Noah, being 900 years old or building the ark and the animals arriving and the entire world being reset by the contents of the boat; that's all very very clearly made up. Maybe not in a bad way, probably meant to be allegorical. But still, it's not true.
 
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