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Do you support the TSA procedures

What is your political idealogy and Do you support the TSA procedures

  • I'm Conservative and I generally support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • I'm conservative and I generally do NOT support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    Votes: 12 32.4%
  • I'm centrist and I generally support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    Votes: 4 10.8%
  • I'm centrist and I gnerally do NOT support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • I'm liberal and I generally support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • I'm liberal and I generally do NOT support the TSA pat downs and body scans

    Votes: 8 21.6%

  • Total voters
    37

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I'm curious to see where people across the idealogical spectrum stand on the TSA body scans and pat downs. I realize that the choices may not cover everybody (e.g. you may agree with the scans but not the pat downs) but I don't want to have 12 different options, so do your best to respond accordingly.
 
No I don't support government thugs and clods touching me and looking at my junk. If it was private security I wouldn't be as pissed but that would require the retards in Washington to stop subsidizing airports.
 
No, I don't support the TSA. However, the reality of the situation, if the Obama administration had them stopped and we were hit he would be blamed.
 
No, I don't support the TSA. However, the reality of the situation, if the Obama administration had them stopped and we were hit he would be blamed.

The reality is the public in general can be collectively stupid, I'm not surprised.

These specific measures, IMO, are useless and un-necessarily invasive.
 
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Not stupid, the public can be collectively conned into fear.

When it gets to the point where basic facts are left out [like it being a choice between patdowns, scanner, or not flying, as opposed to what they claim [scanner vs not flying], or making elementary logical errors [taking an objection to X Y or Z methods of screening as an objection to ALL screening [with no proof to support the assertion] for example], those lines become even more blurred, IMO.
 
No, it won't do anything to keep us any safer. It's too intrusive and it's my understanding that the scanners wouldn't have caught the underwear bomber.
If Homeland Security was concerned about terrorists they wouldn't leave our borders wide open for them to walk across.
Medal detecters, bomb sniffing dogs, scanning luggage and common sense profiling is what's needed.
 
Didn't vote as I am not a part of any of the political party lines that you mentioned in your poll. But for the rest. No I don't support the TSA in these extended measures.
 
Well I can't wait to see how peoples opinions are when potential bombers start storing stuff up their ass. Then everyone can get raped before they get on a plane, as if though they already weren't by the ticket prices (drum roll, cymbal crash)
 
No, I can't support the current incarnation of the TSA. It is too aggressive and intrusive and treads too heavily upon the rights and liberties of the individual with little to no increase in security.
 
Well I can't wait to see how peoples opinions are when potential bombers start storing stuff up their ass. Then everyone can get raped before they get on a plane, as if though they already weren't by the ticket prices (drum roll, cymbal crash)

Welcome to 2009...
Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers - CBS Evening News - CBS News
To get his bomb into this room, Abdullah Asieri, one of Saudi Arabia's most wanted men, avoided detection by two sets of airport security including metal detectors and palace security. He spent 30 hours in the close company of the prince's own secret service agents - all without anyone suspecting a thing.

How did he do it?

Taking a trick from the narcotics trade - which has long smuggled drugs in body cavities - Asieri had a pound of high explosives, plus a detonator inserted in his rectum.

This was a meticulously planned operation with al Qaeda once again producing something new: this time, the Trojan bomber.

The blast left the prince lightly wounded - a failure as an assassination, but as an exercise in defeating security, it was perfect.
 
I answered I generally support because quite frankly I dont give to hoots about pat downs and body scans, if they think it makes us safer then so be it, dont care, why would I.
 
I'm not sure which is better - an invasive pat-down, or an invasive scan...

Personally, I think the scanners are the better option, up to and including the ability to scan the internals of a person - so that if they have some bomb shoved up their ass, it would be noticed...

I would really rather that than someone physically searching my ass for a bomb, just to be sure...

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Basically, I see it this way....

It's either this, or have someone suicide-bomb a plane with explosives he/she hid in their ass.

Now, my position may be skewed by the fact that I have only flown a few times in my entire life, but I would RATHER be ensured the plane was safe than ensured my junk was untouched/unscanned.

Even taking into account my ingrained/indoctrinated from childhood aversion to anything invading my privacy...
 
I believe it to be one of the biggest invasions of privacy in our history. I don't fly, but would refuse to if forced to go through this crap.
 
No I do not support the procedures. I can't imagine one of them touching my kids like that. Creepy.
 
I believe it to be one of the biggest invasions of privacy in our history. I don't fly, but would refuse to if forced to go through this crap.
See, that's the easy thing about being a terrorist - even if you fail, you still cause damage, if indirectly...

15 years ago, no one could possibly have imagined that we would find it necessary to do these things...And people avoiding air-travel due to them may damage irrevocably the airline business.

Damnit.
 
See, that's the easy thing about being a terrorist - even if you fail, you still cause damage, if indirectly...

15 years ago, no one could possibly have imagined that we would find it necessary to do these things...And people avoiding air-travel due to them may damage irrevocably the airline business.

Damnit.

yep thats how terrorism works unfortunately :( win or lose it always has an effect.

on another note while I agree 100% that things have changed 15 years ago I knew people 15 years ago that refuse to fly and I know people today that refuse to fly and thats the plain and simply answer that stairs everyone in the face.

Im with you, don't really care for the rules but they don't bother me where i'd ever get emotional over it, its nothing worthy. Dont like the rules, dont fly.
 
Absolutely AGAINST this procedure on so many levels :
1 - It is unconstitutional; guilty until proven innocent, violates your person.
2 - The scanner DOES give you a dose of x-rays, granted a small amount, but you are further exposed to a higher then normal radiation in flight, and the scans DO show bones of legs / fingers.
3 - The scanner produces a high def view of a persons genitals and so photographing children in such a way violates child porn laws in many places
4 - IN cases of attempted plane bombings the perpetrator got around any security checks, and so putting people through this is senseless.
5 - The TSA agents are trained for SECURITY NOT as medical professionals dealing with radiation.
6 - Pat downs of the genitals over the clothes is a criminal misdemeanor, under the clothes is sexual assault.
7 - It's a tactic of humiliation and dominance.
8 - Sexual predators and felons are getting jobs at the TSA
9 - This is security theater
10 - "Who says it's gotta be a man to grab another man's privates, I would get a woman to do it and if she's ugly I can close my eyes and if I'm lucky I'll get a happy ending." - Gerald Celente

Don't like the rules, don't fly

No, this MUST be challenged, even look at the circumstance surrounding these things getting put in place. Chertoff orders these machines and right at the time the order is ready for mass delivery and implementation of these systems, all of a sudden some retard gets past security with the help of a "sharp dressed man" who insists that they let him on the plane without credentials, and then in the news they say 'well, good thing that they just came out with this new machine to prevent people from trying to blow their balls off at 40000 ft. Then to top it off, once he's out of politics, Chertoff goes and gets a job running the company that makes the machines he bought with his political clout.

Oh, and don't fly... so what next, there's gonna be some lunatic strap a bomb to his chest in a mall somewhere and all of a sudden these body scanners gotta go into the malls??? Where does it end?? How much will YOU PUT UP WITH??? If they have to do an inspection of all your bodily cavities???

Or maybe you gotta go through the scanner to leave your house in the morning??
 

HOW THE &(*^ DOES THE WORLD S MOST WANTED MAN GET ON A PLANE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?!

My god... ya... that's what's next... full body cavity search to board an aircraft.

Hey TSA agents, is it really worth wearing that fake badge and feel like you have authority for the wage you make if you gotta do this to people.

Maybe I'm jumping the gun... please tell me that's a joke article?
 
What I find interesting is that opposition to the measures seems to run pretty strongly AGAINST regardless of political idealogy.
 
I absolutely do not support this thuggery. They haven't even demonstrated that their tactics work, they have never once stopped a terrorist boarding a plane and they admit that even had they been doing patdowns and scans of terrorists like the underwear bomber, they likely wouldn't have caught it. They're just wasting time, making a show and pissing people off.
 
I'm curious to see where people across the idealogical spectrum stand on the TSA body scans and pat downs. I realize that the choices may not cover everybody (e.g. you may agree with the scans but not the pat downs) but I don't want to have 12 different options, so do your best to respond accordingly.

I'm conservative and I generally do NOT support the TSA pat downs and body scans

Strip searches and pat downs are blatant violation 4th amendment unless you are in the process of being arrested. This should be nipped in the butt before it spreads to train,bus stations, just driving your car on the street and anywhere else. Because I am sure that all around the world those terrorist attacks happen more frequently on trains, buses and on the road than in airplanes.So the justification they used for violating your rights before you board the plane can be used at train stations, bus depots, or even while driving on the road(they do make mobile x-ray machines).
 
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