yes we are and that right is surrendered once you agree to take part in those services, they arent forceably taken away from you, just like entering my club
The difference again :
- Private club = private property = private rules
- Airport = PUBLIC property = common law = constitutionally protected.
this isnt rocket science
it seem like you want to imply that people DONT have those rights in the 4th, of course they do but if you want to enter my club I can search you if you dont want me to don come in
Right, and if your 'search procedure' violates the law, then your 'security' should be arrested for it's criminality. Your willingness to put up with entry in the club does not allow security to violate the law.
"your" opinion of my humanity is meaningless lol nor is your opinion of what humiliation is, if you feel that way dont fly, still doesnt make it against the 4th LMAO
You're confusing this issue... this issue is not a 'right to fly issue' this is a 'right to be secure in your persons' issue. No warrant + no probable cause = no right to have me virtually stripped down. Now, I could even accept a quick frisk... but again, that's not what is at issue... we're talking about people reaching INTO pants, up shirts, among a laundry list of other abuses justified in the name of security.
Just because the TSA CLAIMS that they could do something does NOT make it legal or constitutional... just because the government signs their checks and gives them a little fake badge.
again it is NOT violated because you submit to it, nobody is forcing you to fly, dont like it, dont fly, it doesnt have to be "probably" by YOUR opinion LMAO its voluntary
Again IT IS violated because nobody can walk up to anybody else and force them to be photographed naked or groped... that is criminal.
Also your logic of 'choice' negating 'rights' is absolute nonsense... that's like saying you can remove your miranda rights because you chose to commit a crime... so, it's your 'choice' to go to the mall, so we should have this type of security there... it's your 'choice' to take a bus, so we should have screenings there... it's your choice to walk the street, so we should have screenings there...
DOn't you see how asinine the logic is... and then you add in LMAO LAMO LAMO and then say that OTHERS are on the offensive... give me a break buddy.
it is not FORCED, you know its going to happen, if you dont want it to dont fly, you have a choice
also you other appeals to emotion dont work, try them on someone that cares
It was the womans choice to get in Ted Bundy's car... the women should have known, so if Ted Bundy had a badge he wouldn't be a criminal.
Don't you see how twisted your logic is??
if somebody famous or hot or old gets treated unfairly that needs addressed but that still doesnt make the POLICIES against the 4th, it only means somebody did their job wrong or abused their power
That is their POLICY to abuse people... THAT IS WHY IT IS UNREASONABLE search which is WHY it will be found to be unconstitutional.
If it DOES NOT, then you'll get your way and you and everyone you know will get groped and naked scanned ALOT MORE OFTEN then just when you 'choose' to fly.
But I almost forgot, you thought that one clip where the child is screaming in her parents arms while security literally molests her... you said that there was "nothing wrong" with that... so, I'll just take into consideration what you consider freedom...
until you choose to fly, then your BS example goes out the window, whoooooops LMAO
jeez, does common sense escape you this easily, like i said early this is why I think you are young you compare apples and oranges and think they are the same
WHAT??? No seriously, I think I've been giving you too much credit LMAO... does it hurt???
What's this common sense you speak of?? That there's a difference between 'public property' and 'private property' whose distinctions seem lost on you.
I went to the airport just last week, guess what? I never got searched, why? I was just there picking and dropping people off and to shop I wasnt partaking in the flying services that they deemed that need secured lol
lol because lol thats lol not lol where LMAO the LMAO abuses lol of lMAO power lol are LAMO happening.
again NOTHING more than your OPINION that still has no bearing because you surrend to the searches and it STILL does not violate the 4th
By what merit???? Remember I'm not asking to repeat your tune 'not the 4th LAMO' ... I'm asking you to explain by what merit that either :
a - That TSA searches are 'reasonable'
b - that they are based on 'probable cause'
c - how they can circumvent the legal requirement of 'probable cause'
ALso, you do realize that this is ALSO a case where you are guilty until proven innocent. OR do you forget that in this country the presumption is of innocence?
easy because its not until its challenged and it will LOSE if its based on the 4th
Im aware you dont see the logic thats clear, its not your understanding of the 4th that gets you in to trouble its how you are wrongly dramatically attempting to apply it.
in this case the law is pretty simple, you subject yourself to the search, its voluntary
That's not valid logic... It's a non-sequitar "choose to fly != giving up rights to protect against unlawful searches"
No matter how many times you repeat yourself, it does not change the fact that these types of searches are violations of people's rights... it will be challenged... and it's actually DISHONEST OF YOU to say that it DOES NOT violate the fourth UNTIL THIS CHALLENGE goes through the courts.
ok, this has nothing to do with the 4th either
unbelievable how dramatic you are lol
like i said im fine with you not liking the policies but they dont violate the 4th
let me know when find something about the POLICIES that violate the 4th and not just hurt your feelings
LMAO!! You were so busy repeating your "rape my wife for the fourth" spiel that you don't even care about the criminality involved in how these got put into place in the first place.