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homosexuality potentially punishable by death

Homosexuality should be punishable by death!

  • Good idea

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • Bad idea

    Votes: 25 45.5%

  • Uganda's government should be put to death

    Votes: 11 20.0%

  • Bad idea... religion is to blame.

    Votes: 18 32.7%
  • Total voters
    55
TurtleDude said:
CriticalThought said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html
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A society that embraced a scum bag like Idi Amin seems to have no problems embracing other scum bags.

They get what they deserve
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Not quite as simple as that, I met similar evangelicals when I worked in West Africa many years ago. The local Nigerian and Ghanaian evangelicals were scary people with horrible views but their views were "balanced" on the other side by some similar radical Muslims.

I never got invited to radical Muslim gatherings but I did go out of curiosity to the evangelical meetings where pamphlets were handed out - mostly funded and printed in the US. I wouldn't blame the US for this - the OP is particularly a Uganda affair and the worrying thing is that this movement in Uganda has support in some areas of the Uganda Govt.
 
Hate the sin, not the sinner. That is murder, and should not be tolerated. Granted, I am against the sin of homosexuality, but I don't blieve people should be hurt or killed over it. o_O"
 
OscarB63 said:
odd, one man in Arkansas says gays should kill themselves and it is an indictment of all christianity but the govt of a predominantly muslim country wants to make homosexuality punishable by death and people don't want to make "anti-islamic" comments. the double standard in our overly PC society is appalling.
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I agree. The double standard I find not only disgusting, but I also view it as a phenomenon.
 
Blackdog said:
Rather than start killing people, why don't Christians clarify gay men and women are also God's children. Teach them that we are all sinners and no one is better than anyone else regardless.

Education to undo the damage already done would be a step on the right direction, not killing. Africa has seen enough of that.

And Jesus wept.
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That would be a twisting of the scriptures. Homosexuality is a perverse sin. Christians should be able to preach against it because we follow our faith; if we twist and change the Bible continuously it will eventually have no meaning nor any trace of what it was meant to be.
 
Wake said:
That would be a twisting of the scriptures.
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Let me get this straight...teaching that gay men and women are also God's children and that all human beings are sinners would be TWISTING OF SCRIPTURE?

Good grief.

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I think I'll let the chocolate thunder handle this one. :D
 
Wake said:
That would be a twisting of the scriptures. Homosexuality is a perverse sin. Christians should be able to preach against it because we follow our faith; if we twist and change the Bible continuously it will eventually have no meaning nor any trace of what it was meant to be.
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Depends on how you look at it. If you want to go your route, to God, jerking out some boner sauce or taking a grape in the produce section at the store is no different than pumping oil in a guy's fart box.
 
Wake said:
That would be a twisting of the scriptures. Homosexuality is a perverse sin. Christians should be able to preach against it because we follow our faith; if we twist and change the Bible continuously it will eventually have no meaning nor any trace of what it was meant to be.
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Please quote Jesus' exact words on the subject. Considering that He spoke quite a bit about many subjects, I'm sure if homosexuality is the perverse sin you make it out to be that He would have railed against it just as surely as He railed against the Pharisees.



Thanks in advance.
 
Gardener said:
Please quote Jesus' exact words on the subject. Considering that He spoke quite a bit about many subjects, I'm sure if homosexuality is the perverse sin you make it out to be that He would have railed against it just as surely as He railed against the Pharisees.
Thanks in advance.
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The Bible does speak against homosexuality. Did Jesus mention it himself? Admittedly, he didn't talk about it. Paul the Apostle wrote about it in the New Testament, though, and it is spoken against in Leviticus in the Old Testament.

In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
The New Living Translation says the verse in more modern words: "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."

In 1 Timothy 1:8-10, homosexuality is again spoken against, along with other sins. Here is that passage, quoted from the New Living Translation of the Bible.
"We know that the law is good when used correctly. For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God."

Anyway, about the topic on hand... I'd vote against that bill.
 
Vincent said:
The Bible does speak against homosexuality. Did Jesus mention it himself? Admittedly, he didn't talk about it. Paul the Apostle wrote about it in the New Testament, though, and it is spoken against in Leviticus in the Old Testament.

In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
The New Living Translation says the verse in more modern words: "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."

In 1 Timothy 1:8-10, homosexuality is again spoken against, along with other sins. Here is that passage, quoted from the New Living Translation of the Bible.
"We know that the law is good when used correctly. For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God."

Anyway, about the topic on hand... I'd vote against that bill.
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A simple, "no, I got nuttin" would have sufficed.

If you wish to listen Paul instead of Jesus, though, that is certainly your right. Ditto for your referencing Leviticus. I actually respect those who refuse to wear mixed fibres or eat shellfish based upon their principles.
 
Gardener said:
A simple, "no, I got nuttin" would have sufficed.

If you wish to listen Paul instead of Jesus, though, that is certainly your right. Ditto for your referencing Leviticus. I actually respect those who refuse to wear mixed fibres or eat shellfish based upon their principles.
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Paul speaks for Jesus in many things. He also speaks for his church in many things. He is very clear about which is which.

PS Jesus did speak on many things, he also left out many things that had already been covered or he new would be covered.
 
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Wake said:
That would be a twisting of the scriptures. Homosexuality is a perverse sin. Christians should be able to preach against it because we follow our faith; if we twist and change the Bible continuously it will eventually have no meaning nor any trace of what it was meant to be.
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Sin is sin and none is more "perverse" than the others. Please point out where in the Bible it says to turn your back on those who have sinned? Their is indeed twisting going on here, but not by me.

Romans 5: 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Do I really have to keep going?
 
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Blackdog said:
Sin is sin and none is more "perverse" than the others. Please point out where in the Bible it says to turn your back on those who have sinned? Their is indeed twisting going on here, but not by me.

Romans 5: 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Do I really have to keep going?
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My view is that God loves us all and that we are all sinners. However, God has set His laws. Thus Christians seek to persuade sinners to turn from their ways instead of, well, killing them like Islamic extremists. I am in no favor of killing homosexuals b/c that is murder. I do believe Christians have the right to preach against it, though.
 
Wake said:
My view is that God loves us all and that we are all sinners. However, God has set His laws. Thus Christians seek to persuade sinners to turn from their ways instead of, well, killing them like Islamic extremists. I am in no favor of killing homosexuals b/c that is murder. I do believe Christians have the right to preach against it, though.
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Yes we do. But we must be mindful of how we do it...

Proverbs 12:18 Reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

As with the Anglicans in Africa, we must be mindful of what we incite with our words. They messed up really bad. And now people may be put to death for it.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes we do. But we must be mindful of how we do it...

Proverbs 12:18 Reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

As with the Anglicans in Africa, we must be mindful of what we incite with our words. They messed up really bad. And now people may be put to death for it.
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Do you think Christians should not preach against homosexuality, but conform to the gentle persuasion of those who piece by piece dismantle the Bible until it becomes nothing more but: "a work of inspiration" and "do nice/good things for people to go to Heaven"? Christians must walk the narrow path of intolerance of sin, or else we, you know, walk the wide path to hell.
 
I think that in a world where "the worst thing to happen in Israel since [they] left Egypt" is commonplace, Christians are misguided in preaching against consentual sex.

God had priorities and if we examine the sins of The Old Testament's kings and prophets, kissing dudes doesn't come into play at all. Worshiping idols? Bad news. Murder or rape? Benjamin almost ceased to exist. Playing with another dude's weiner? Never really mentioned as something that caused the Lord to smite Israelites.

As a straight person (I suppose with a closed mind), I think it's gross (when dudes, of course); however, it's not one of those things that in the Bible causes your bloodline to cease or generations to suffer as slaves.

I know, it's one of God's rules but I never heard of him getting really pissed because of it (and he gets really pissed alot in the OT). I say start with the big stuff and weiners will sort themselves out, probably.
 
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Wake said:
Do you think Christians should not preach against homosexuality, but conform to the gentle persuasion of those who piece by piece dismantle the Bible until it becomes nothing more but: "a work of inspiration" and "do nice/good things for people to go to Heaven"? Christians must walk the narrow path of intolerance of sin, or else we, you know, walk the wide path to hell.
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You are completely missing the point.

Please explain how preaching homosexuality is somehow worse than fornication or incest etc. is a good thing? Jesus hung out with these people.

All sexual immorality according to God is a sin. Adultery etc. I don't here anyone talking about killing them? So please explain how Jesus approves of picking one sin, and holding it above all others and hurting people in the process???

Now lets consider the fact that neither you or I are righteous? We all have sinned. Can we preach that it is wrong, yes. Can we say it is worse than all others? Not even close.
 
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ecofarm said:
I think that in a world where "the worst thing to happen in Israel since [they] left Egypt" is commonplace, Christians are misguided in preaching against consentual sex.

God had priorities and if we examine the sins of The Old Testament's kings and prophets, kissing dudes doesn't come into play at all. Worshiping idols? Bad news. Murder or rape? Benjamin almost ceased to exist. Playing with another dude's weiner? Never really mentioned as something that caused the Lord to smite Israelites.

As a straight person (I suppose with a closed mind), I think it's gross (when dudes, of course); however, it's not one of those things that in the Bible causes your bloodline to cease or generations to suffer as slaves.

I know, it's one of God's rules but I never heard of him getting really pissed because of it (and he gets really pissed alot in the OT). I say start with the big stuff and weiners will sort themselves out, probably.
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He destroyed 2 cities because of sin and also flooded the world. This includes sexual immorality.
 
ecofarm said:
I think that in a world where "the worst thing to happen in Israel since [they] left Egypt" is commonplace, Christians are misguided in preaching against consentual sex.

God had priorities and if we examine the sins of The Old Testament's kings and prophets, kissing dudes doesn't come into play at all. Worshiping idols? Bad news. Murder or rape? Benjamin almost ceased to exist. Playing with another dude's weiner? Never really mentioned as something that caused the Lord to smite Israelites.

As a straight person (I suppose with a closed mind), I think it's gross (when dudes, of course); however, it's not one of those things that in the Bible causes your bloodline to cease or generations to suffer as slaves.

I know, it's one of God's rules but I never heard of him getting really pissed because of it (and he gets really pissed alot in the OT). I say start with the big stuff and weiners will sort themselves out, probably.
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Sodom and Gomorrha are an example.

Blackdog said:
You are completely missing the point.

Please explain how preaching homosexuality is somehow worse than fornication or incest etc. is a good thing? Jesus hung out with these people.

It's all wrong.

All sexual immorality according to God is a sin. Adultery etc. I don't here anyone talking about killing them? So please explain how Jesus approves of picking one sin, and holding it above all others and hurting people in the process???

I don't understand what you are debating. All sin, all sexual immorality, is a sin. No one wants to kill them. Also, Christians view all sins equally; this is why Christians consistently fight against them. Do you think homosexuality as a sin should be ignored because there are many other sins out there?

Now lets consider the fact that neither you or I are righteous? We all have sinned. Can we preach that it is wrong, yes. Can we say it is worse than all others? Not even close.
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I never said it was worse than all others. What are we even disagreeing on b/c I never said homosexuality was the worse sin; it is one to be addressed, though, among others like abortion.
 
Wake said:
I never said it was worse than all others. What are we even disagreeing on b/c I never said homosexuality was the worse sin; it is one to be addressed, though, among others like abortion.
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Well I don't agree on abortion purely along secular lines. That however is for another thread.

The fact is if we as Christians do not preach the message of Gods love, we are not preaching the correct message. We should be preaching that immorality separates you from Gods love. and puts your soul in danger. Not that homosexuals are bad people or deserving of death.

I do not support same sex marriage either but we have a secular government. It is the responsibility of our government to protect the minority form the majority.

Jesus preached we are to lead by example. He gave us a guide for our spiritual salvation, not a system of government.

I am all over the place now. I am done.
 
Blackdog said:
He destroyed 2 cities because of sin and also flooded the world. This includes sexual immorality.
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The subject is not what was included but what was specifically listed.

Though, I've already seen a good counter-argument.
 
Blackdog said:
I am all over the place now. I am done.
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No, you did well. I disagree with your opposition to SSM, but your Christian attitude towards sin and secular rights does you credit. It is the religious fundamentalists who are after conformity and orthodoxy above the expression of God's love that are the problem. Good for you, BD!
 
So if I got this straight, this entire thing has turned into a bible study that if the person trying to prove that the Bible 100% no doubt clearly says that packin it in the back door is horrible, that this person will make the conclusion that killing gays for being gay is ok?
 
Blackdog said:
Paul speaks for Jesus in many things.
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He does? Saul was not a desciple of Jesus. He did not attend Jesus' sermons. He not only never even met Jesus, but he persecuted those who followed Jesus. How is it, again, that he speaks for Jesus?

Blackdog said:
He also speaks for his church in many things.
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Yes, he speaks for the church since he was instrumental in establishing it. There is quite a bit of a disconnect between Jesus and Christianity, however, and this is BECAUSE of Paul.

Blackdog said:
PS Jesus did speak on many things, he also left out many things that had already been covered or he new would be covered.
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Seems to me that if one truly respects Jesus, one would honor Him by figuring he was a sharp enough to know what was important and what was just the stuff of social convention. If the Son of God is so incapable of prioritizing, then who among us should really follow suit. eh?
 
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