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Federation v Empire

In a war between the Federation and the Empire, who wins?


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please dude, the rebellion kicked the Empire's ass and they didn't have jack squat as far as numbers and resources. the Federation would cut through the Empire like **** through a goose.

You are leaving out far to many variables. What time period? I mean if it was during say the Dominion war or right after the battle of Wolf, it would not be good for the Federation. The Empire controls almost the entire galaxy, the Federation not even close. The size of fleets and man power the Empire can call up are awe inspiring.

Now if it was just a knock down drag out with no one else involved. The Federation would have little chance due to shear numbers on the side of the Empire.
 
The Empire lost the rebellion to these...

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'nough said.
 
You are leaving out far to many variables. What time period? I mean if it was during say the Dominion war or right after the battle of Wolf, it would not be good for the Federation. The Empire controls almost the entire galaxy, the Federation not even close. The size of fleets and man power the Empire can call up are awe inspiring.

Now if it was just a knock down drag out with no one else involved. The Federation would have little chance due to shear numbers on the side of the Empire.

size matters not...judge me by my size do you? and well you should not, because photon torpedoes and deflector shields are my allies. and powerful allies they are.

1 federation ship ~ 400 guys
1 star destroyers thousands of guys

a galaxy class cruiser would take out a dozen or more star destroyers before it's weapons were depleted. In a war of attrition, greater killing power will top greater numbers.
 
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I think the greater tech levels of the ST universe would give an edge to the Federation's forces.

If my memory of the SW movies is accurate, the shielding tech of the SW universe (and thus, the Empire) is far behind that of the Federation.

SW shields seemed simply designed to deflect incoming fire, but could be overwhelmed by repeated strikes.

On the other hand, ST shields seem to be multi-purpose and very adaptable, so tuning them to simply be unaffected by laser fire seems very possible.

I note that ST energy weapons were adjustable, while SW energy weapons were much less so, at least judging from the movies.
 
It all depends on who can convince the Q to be on their side.
 
The United Federation of Planets easily, more powerful technology, more powerful ships. And in many ways, more resources to pull from.
 
The federation would be significantly more adaptable technology-wise along the plots of the shows/movies.
 
On the heels of the Star Wars v Star Trek poll...

In a war between the Federation and the Empire, who wins?

That depends. Will the Federation be able to make allies with other factions? Because remember a key part of the Federation's ability to make war is, ironically, their ability at diplomacy to make alliances.

 
The Empire lost to the Rebellion much like the British lost to the Americans in the revolutionary war, the Rebellion used gorilla warfare to defeat the Empire(also having Luke take out their leadership helped), and didn't fight them straight up, like the Federation would. If they did they would have been obliterated.

Someone's forgetting Section 31.
 
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Agreed. The Federation would not be dealing with Jedi, but Sith.

Don't think for a minute that the Sith would be beyond using their power to "influence" Feddie higher-ups to surrender power to them. Don't think the Federation wouldn't negotiate with them, either. That would be the REAL threat the Federation would face.

Now, in an out-right battle, any "negotiation" with Sith OR Jedi would be with overloaded Photon Torpedoes, which would end the "talks" quick-like. Either are impressive in close combat, but once that hit 80,000 km away, they're in Overload range. That's when the pain starts.

Well, Sith hardly matters under the regime of the Galactic Empire, considering the Rule of Two. And yes, I know there are Dark Side users during that era - however, they are not nearly as well trained as proper Sith are.

Now, if we were talking about the Sith Empire under the Rule of One, it would be a different story, and such a thing would be a definite factor.
 
Warp Drive would be the deciding factor. ST ships can fight while traveling at superluminal velocities, and hitting targets.

SW technology shows no such capacity. Blaster bolts, travelling at less than lightspeed, would be unable to hit starships travelling at warp speed. The starships, however, could make strafing passes against the relatively-immobile Star Destroyers/etc and destroy them practically at will.

In a sense, it would be a lot like the old Soviet Union vs USA conventional military argument. The Soviets went for quantity and used their weapons systems like clubs; the USA went for quality and used their weapons systems like fencing rapiers. Field engagements between US tanks and Russian made tanks used by Iraq revealed that a handful of US tanks could and did engage and destroy a hundred Russian-made tanks in short order. The US targeting systems and weapons were longer ranged and more accurate, and our tanks could shoot with pinpoint accuracy while moving at top speed, making them hard targets.


Similarly, ST ships could fly by Star Destroyers at warp and destroy them at will. Warp drive would be the decisive factor. The only thing hyperdrive would be good for is running away from the battle after Starfleet kicks their assets.

For another example, think about what one well-trained sniper with a modern .308 semi-auto, and a 4wheel ATV for transportation, could do to an entire company of Colonial era infantry armed with smoothbore muskets. He could kill several from a far greater distance than they could respond, then move to a new location faster than they could move, wait and do it again.

SW vs ST would be a lot like that. The Empire's massive resources would simply make for a "target rich environment".


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That's not true, though there were many more padawans that actual Jedi. There were some Jedi at the Jedi Temple, including the chief Jedi instructor Cin Drallig.

True, but nothing Vader couldn't handle. He also attacked the Temple with the clone troopers.
 
Warp Drive would be the deciding factor. ST ships can fight while traveling at superluminal velocities, and hitting targets.

SW technology shows no such capacity. Blaster bolts, travelling at less than lightspeed, would be unable to hit starships travelling at warp speed. The starships, however, could make strafing passes against the relatively-immobile Star Destroyers/etc and destroy them practically at will.

In a sense, it would be a lot like the old Soviet Union vs USA conventional military argument. The Soviets went for quantity and used their weapons systems like clubs; the USA went for quality and used their weapons systems like fencing rapiers. Field engagements between US tanks and Russian made tanks used by Iraq revealed that a handful of US tanks could and did engage and destroy a hundred Russian-made tanks in short order. The US targeting systems and weapons were longer ranged and more accurate, and our tanks could shoot with pinpoint accuracy while moving at top speed, making them hard targets.


Similarly, ST ships could fly by Star Destroyers at warp and destroy them at will. Warp drive would be the decisive factor. The only thing hyperdrive would be good for is running away from the battle after Starfleet kicks their assets.

For another example, think about what one well-trained sniper with a modern .308 semi-auto, and a 4wheel ATV for transportation, could do to an entire company of Colonial era infantry armed with smoothbore muskets. He could kill several from a far greater distance than they could respond, then move to a new location faster than they could move, wait and do it again.

SW vs ST would be a lot like that. The Empire's massive resources would simply make for a "target rich environment".


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Yes, silly topic. But you raise a good point, perhaps inadvertantly -- let's not also forget the quality of training.
 
The empire wins by a landslide. They have a huge edge in numbers, and a huge edge in weapons technology. The federation doesn't stand a chance.

As a note, here's a link to a site that does a very in-depth comparison of the two universes' technology.

Star Wars vs Star Trek Essays: Star Wars vs Star Trek in Five Minutes

Anyone care to refute this? Because this is as close to a citable source as you can get on this subject. And it heavily favors the Empire
 
Anyone care to refute this? Because this is as close to a citable source as you can get on this subject. And it heavily favors the Empire

I reject your reality, and substitute my own...

Star Trek Vs. Star Wars Overview
check reactor power, beam weapons, missile weapons, weapons range, STL (slower than light) drive, sensors, tactics, & other special advantages... all seem to favor The technology of Star Trek.
 
Anyone care to refute this? Because this is as close to a citable source as you can get on this subject. And it heavily favors the Empire

There's no way the Empire could win, a Federations ships phasers would tear through a Star Destroyer. A galaxy class is much, much smaller then a Super Star Destroyer, but has significantly more powerful shields and technology on board. Not to mention the fact that the Empires relatively primitive "Lasers" were once sort of referenced in the show, A ship attacked the Enterprise with Lasers on board, much like the ones from Star Wars... and worfs exact words were "Lasers! That wouldn't even penetrate our navigation deflector".

Wow I am a nerd.
 
A ship attacked the Enterprise with Lasers on board, much like the ones from Star Wars... and worfs exact words were "Lasers! That wouldn't even penetrate our navigation deflector".

Wow I am a nerd.

I claim greater nerd-dom... becuase I know it was Picard who said that, not Worf...

ST-v-SW.Net :: Okona and Turbolasers
Worf: "Captain, they are now locking lasers on us."
Riker: "Lasers?!?"
Worf: "Yes, sir."
Picard: "Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields. Don't they know that?"
Riker: "Regulations do call for yellow alert."
Picard: "Hmm, a very old regulation. Well, make it so Number One. And, reduce speed . . . drop main shields, as well."
Riker: "May I ask why, sir?"
Picard: "In case we decide to surrender to them, Number One."
 
Warp Drive would be the deciding factor. ST ships can fight while traveling at superluminal velocities, and hitting targets.

SW technology shows no such capacity. Blaster bolts, travelling at less than lightspeed, would be unable to hit starships travelling at warp speed. The starships, however, could make strafing passes against the relatively-immobile Star Destroyers/etc and destroy them practically at will.

In a sense, it would be a lot like the old Soviet Union vs USA conventional military argument. The Soviets went for quantity and used their weapons systems like clubs; the USA went for quality and used their weapons systems like fencing rapiers. Field engagements between US tanks and Russian made tanks used by Iraq revealed that a handful of US tanks could and did engage and destroy a hundred Russian-made tanks in short order. The US targeting systems and weapons were longer ranged and more accurate, and our tanks could shoot with pinpoint accuracy while moving at top speed, making them hard targets.


Similarly, ST ships could fly by Star Destroyers at warp and destroy them at will. Warp drive would be the decisive factor. The only thing hyperdrive would be good for is running away from the battle after Starfleet kicks their assets.

For another example, think about what one well-trained sniper with a modern .308 semi-auto, and a 4wheel ATV for transportation, could do to an entire company of Colonial era infantry armed with smoothbore muskets. He could kill several from a far greater distance than they could respond, then move to a new location faster than they could move, wait and do it again.

SW vs ST would be a lot like that. The Empire's massive resources would simply make for a "target rich environment".


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The problem with this tactic is that federation weapons aren't powerful enough to penetrate the shields of most imperial ships. It would be like shooting spitballs at a tank.

The empire would also have the edge in mobility, since hyperdrive is much faster than warp drive.
 
The problem with this tactic is that federation weapons aren't powerful enough to penetrate the shields of most imperial ships. It would be like shooting spitballs at a tank.

The empire would also have the edge in mobility, since hyperdrive is much faster than warp drive.

Empire ships can't fire in hyperdrive, while Fed ships can fire some weapons in warp drive.

And depending on which source you believe, ST weapons/shields might or might not be better than SW weapons/shields.

I don't think we can make any conclusions. The sources for each side are equal, and I can't really tell which one is right.
 
I reject your reality, and substitute my own...

Star Trek Vs. Star Wars Overview
check reactor power, beam weapons, missile weapons, weapons range, STL (slower than light) drive, sensors, tactics, & other special advantages... all seem to favor The technology of Star Trek.

The problem with that site is that they don't really give much in the way of numbers, and more importantly they don't say how they calculated the numbers that they do give. Not really much of a reference.
 
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