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Women of DP - I ask you

Pick one

  • Yes, I expec the same in kind if I partake in aggressive behavior

    Votes: 15 78.9%
  • No, I believe my gender excuses me from paying consequences

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • I don't like either of the above options - here is my answer

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • It depends on what aggressive behavior I am taking part in

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • Total voters
    19
Yes, of course I expect to be hit back. WTF kind of retarded idiot thinks that being a woman excuses physical violence of any kind? What is this, the 12th century?
 
Put that friend of yours in the ring together with a male proffessional boxer and she's most likely done for.

Depends on the weight class and level of skill.

But the point I was making was in relation to rosie saying "it isn't possible for women to have the upper body strength that men have".

That's just nonsense. I know men who are weak as kittens and women who are stronger than most men.
 
Yes I expect to be treated the same. My gender shouldn't excuse me from my actions. Here's an example from my own life, I play in a "co-ed" hockey league, I'm the only chick in the league, and they basically made an exception for me to be able to play in the league. But anyways, I play goalie, and in a game this guy ran me, and I wasn't to pleased about it, so I hit him in the back of my leg with my stick, and he turned around punched me in the face. Granted I have a full goalie helmet on, but he had a hockey glove on as well, so it didn't really hurt me, but it certainly didn't feel pleasant. And I didn't cry and complain that he couldn't hit me cause I'm a girl, I punched him back. Then the ref's came over , broke it up, gave the appropriate penalties, and the game went on. I didn't expect to be treated any differently, and I don't want to be treated any differently. My gender isn't a handicap, and I don't want to be treated like it is.
 
Yeah course I expect to be hit back. The only men I have hit tho is my brothers and none of them have raised a hand to me :shrug:

The only person you never hit back imo is your Elders which basically means your parents/grandparents. Yeah, I'd stand there and take a hit from them


Edit: I don't believe so many women in DP voted No. Is there a way to make it public?
 
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I wouldn't get in the ring with e.g., Lucia Rijker, she also fought professional male kickboxers. I think you underestimate being trained, the fitness aspect as well as the ability to do damage.

Take away the weight class and rules.... add some jello and/or oil and I would get into the wring with her. She wouldn't stand a chance hehehehehehehe.
 
I'd NEVER use physical force on a man OR a woman except in self-defense. If I did, I would fully expect to be hit back. Gender excuses nothing. I'm amazed at the voting -- that more think being a woman excuses them. It doesn't, you lil' rabble-rousers.

If I were attacked or threatened with attack, I would most certainly try to defend myself with some fairly effective dirty street fighting I learned in Tai Kwon Do. But even at that, with a man, it's a fight I'd fully expect to lose.

Any guy who physically assaults a woman, and, btw, that includes folding your arms in front of you and pushing her around the room, grabbing her forcibly by the arm, or anything else physical, is a 100% Grade A Genuine ***hole. Any woman who does the same earns the same label.
 
I wouldn't get in the ring with e.g., Lucia Rijker, she also fought professional male kickboxers. I think you underestimate being trained, the fitness aspect as well as the ability to do damage.

Oh? Lucia Rijker is it?

Wikipedia's Lucia Rijker Page said:
As of February 2007, she was undefeated in the ring; her boxing record is 17-0 (14 K.O.'s), and her kickboxing record is 37-0 (25 K.O.'s), conquering five world titles in the process. She met her only defeat in October 1994 at an exhibition Muay Thai kickboxing match against male opponent, World Champion Somchai Jaidee of New Zealand (a 2nd-round K.O.).

Lucia Rijker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bam.

As I said, there is a reason why every single sport branch is utterly dominated by males. Hell, even chess.
 
Oh? Lucia Rijker is it?



Lucia Rijker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bam.

As I said, there is a reason why every single sport branch is utterly dominated by males. Hell, even chess.

[video=google;-3047738413529872166]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3047738413529872166#[/video]

You can see her punches are not hurting him at all. Man, that knock out was brutal.

Good solid left right combo.
 
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Depends on the weight class and level of skill.

But the point I was making was in relation to rosie saying "it isn't possible for women to have the upper body strength that men have".

That's just nonsense. I know men who are weak as kittens and women who are stronger than most men.

I get your point, what I'm saying is that while there are clearly female individuals who are stronger than the average male, the average male is by far stronger than the average woman. If you take two equally trained individuals from both sexes, the male wins hands down.
 
I get your point, what I'm saying is that while there are clearly female individuals who are stronger than the average male, the average male is by far stronger than the average woman.

Sure. That's never really been disputed.

If you take two equally trained individuals from both sexes, the male wins hands down.

I'd add a caveat for size. A 185lb woman who trains will probably knock the snot out of a 125 lb man who trains. If they are equally sized, the advantage goes to the male, but it's no guarantee either.
 
Chess is officially considered to be a sport branch, god knows why.

No, you said it is utterly dominated by males. Are you suggesting that females are inferior at a game where mental skill is all that matters?
 
No, you said it is utterly dominated by males. Are you suggesting that females are inferior at a game where mental skill is all that matters?

It is a fact that males dominate the sciences and math. It has nothing to do with brain power, it is interest I would think. I mean not that many females want to play chess or be engineers I guess.

Social scientists have studied it, lawyers have tried to fix it and post-feminist society is over it. But women are still outnumbered by men in math, science and engineering fields.

Most overt discrimination against women in the sciences has been reduced or eliminated in recent decades through legal, academic, corporate and government measures. But a climate that is less than fully friendly to women remains, and its texture is often still so taken for granted that it tends to be invisible.

The proportion of women receiving doctorate degrees in science and engineering has increased slightly in recent years, and in 2003, women accounted for 30 percent of the doctorate degrees in science and nearly 9 percent of those awarded in engineering, according to a National Science Foundation report.

Why Men Dominate Math and Science Fields | LiveScience

No need to get defensive. :)
 
No, you said it is utterly dominated by males. Are you suggesting that females are inferior at a game where mental skill is all that matters?

Do not go looking for hidden messeges in my comment, I've meant to what I said and only to what I said.
That is, the chess branch leaderboard top is dominated by males.
 
No, you said it is utterly dominated by males. Are you suggesting that females are inferior at a game where mental skill is all that matters?

More young women have taken up the sport over the past 10 years, according to data from the U.S. Chess Federation. In 1999, for example, less than 2 percent of 21-year-old players were women. Today, about 8 percent are.

I looked this up because I was very interested. There are women's tournaments and men's tournaments. There must be a reason for that, don't you think? Chess is a game of tactics and strategies....looking five/six moves (or more) ahead, I imagine. Many people believe that more women are 'right-brained' and more men are left-brained. Probably has something to do with that.

Left Brain Thinking

Logical/Sequential

Rational

Analytical

Objective

Looks at parts

Right Brain Thinking

Random

Intuitive

Holistic
Synthesizing

Subjective

Looks at wholes

Most individuals have a distinct preference for one of these styles of thinking. Some, however, are more whole-brained and equally adept at both modes. In general, schools tend to favor left-brain modes of thinking, while downplaying the right-brain ones. [Wow!] Left-brain scholastic subjects focus on logical thinking, analysis, and accuracy. Right-brained subjects, on the other hand, focus on aesthetics, feeling, and creativity.

Here's a Right Brain/Left Brain Quiz. I'd be interested if anybody takes it. Mine came out equal. Hmmm..... (I hate chess.)
Right Brain/ Left Brain Quiz
 
I got an equal 16/16 too.
Weird questions.

Edit: no matter what you pick in that quiz you'd get 16/16.
 
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Ah, well. Never means never. Women never can develop the upper body strength of men. Ask the US military for numbers:

Gender Difference

Women compensate for this. The legs are more strong, relatively, in comparison to men, so women aim the swift kick to the onions. When you say a woman can kick ass, you do mean kick...not hit, punch, shove, strike.

The reason for this is physiological.

The poll said hit, push, shove. Upper body.

Regards from Rosie
 
*talks in high-pitched voice* Yes, I think I should be hit hard!
 
Ah, well. Never means never. Women never can develop the upper body strength of men. Ask the US military for numbers:

Gender Difference

Women compensate for this. The legs are more strong, relatively, in comparison to men, so women aim the swift kick to the onions. When you say a woman can kick ass, you do mean kick...not hit, punch, shove, strike.

The reason for this is physiological.

The poll said hit, push, shove. Upper body.

Regards from Rosie


Actually, after years of training people in martial arts and other self-defense disciplines, there are some caveats there.

The proportional strength ratio between arms and legs is 3 to 1 for women, 2 to 1 for men. That actually doesn't mean that a 130 pound woman's legs are stronger than a 130 pound man's legs.... and most men weigh a lot more than 130.

Kicking for the nads is a part of any fighting/self-defense toolbox, but it is also often overrated. The nads are not an "off-button". Contrary to myth, the testicles are a pretty small target, and a direct and square-angle impact is needed to really incapacitate a determined attacker. Also, men are aware of the vulnerability of their testicles and tend to guard them instinctively. Typical reactions include the hips moving back as the hands come down to block. This tends to make a nad-shot even more difficult, unless it is done by surprise or slipped in when the opponent is distracted.

I actually recommend kicking the knees as a primary target, and advise using a knee strike or hand strike for the nads for greater accuracy. Also, I view nad-shots as more of a distraction (to enable a follow-up strike) because of the difficulty in getting a solid shot in against an aware opponent.


Didn't mean to derail, this is one of my "lecture" buttons.... ;)
 
This is less to do with what a woman hits someone WITH (upper body, lower body, ball bat, tire iron, etc...!) It's MORE to do with the fact that ...


If a woman attacks another person, does she go in with the expectation that she will be hit, kicked, punched, clocked with a ball bat, etc... back?

If I physically hurt another person, I expect to have that person defend themselves and physically hurt me back.
 
Actually, after years of training people in martial arts and other self-defense disciplines, there are some caveats there. The proportional strength ratio between arms and legs is 3 to 1 for women, 2 to 1 for men. That actually doesn't mean that a 130 pound woman's legs are stronger than a 130 pound man's legs.... and most men weigh a lot more than 130.

Kicking for the nads is a part of any fighting/self-defense toolbox, but it is also often overrated. The nads are not an "off-button". Contrary to myth, the testicles are a pretty small target, and a direct and square-angle impact is needed to really incapacitate a determined attacker. Also, men are aware of the vulnerability of their testicles and tend to guard them instinctively. Typical reactions include the hips moving back as the hands come down to block. This tends to make a nad-shot even more difficult, unless it is done by surprise or slipped in when the opponent is distracted. I actually recommend kicking the knees as a primary target, and advise using a knee strike or hand strike for the nads for greater accuracy. Also, I view nad-shots as more of a distraction (to enable a follow-up strike) because of the difficulty in getting a solid shot in against an aware opponent. Didn't mean to derail, this is one of my "lecture" buttons.... ;)

Lots better to run like hell. Ha! One of the things we were taught was a direct strike to the nose -- open palm, heel of hand. You know, from the waist. The idea is that it hurts like hell and draws lots of blood. We were "told" that the sight of one's own blood is pretty off-putting and likely to give a person time to get away. I've always wondered about any of the moves I learned. I think I'd still be likely killed. A side kick to the knee was another good one they talked about, as you say. And actually we were never taught to strike at the testicles for the reason you outline. The one thing we were taught, over and over again, was to never let yourself be abducted, 'cause you aren't going to make it if you do. Dramatic as it sounds, it was "fight to death right then and there." I think that's good advice. And one that certainly ladies should always remember. That....and a 38 Special.

Talk about a thread derail. Well....at least it's not about egg plants.
 
If you push and shove a person, do you expect to be pushed and/or shoved back?

My daughter is 30 now and I raised her the same way I would have raised a son. You raise an unkind hand to nobody. Ever. If you do, expect the logical fallout.
 
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