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Star Trek or Star Wars?

Star Trek or Star Wars?

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Your Star said:
You know in The Old Republic you can be a smuggler, and you don't have to be a jedi, or a sith.
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Yea but they are cookie cutter classes.

I want to be able to maybe serve the Empire, switch sides and serve with the Republic or maybe serve a private military party to gain skill in certain things.

Just doesn't have the depth in an RPG.
When my buddy ran his table top Star Wars game, it was open ended with no pre set destiny.
You decided how your character advanced, you could buy droids, improve them, all sorts of cool stuff.

I know you can't make a complete sand box Star Wars but come on, this new Star Wars games are just rehashes of the old good vs. evil.
 
samsmart said:
So you're saying that Light Sith are lawful evil, while regular Sith are either neutral evil or chaotic evil?
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Bioware left D&D morality behind in Neverwinter Nights/Baldur's Gate. Light-sided Sith are people who prefer to promote life and compassion wherever they can, but are constrained by the darkness that empowers them and institutions (The Dark Council of Sith Lords) that bind them. They probably believe in the Sith Code and look down on the Jedi Code, but espouse an interpretation of it that does not preclude honor and some measure of decency.

In Jade Empire, the alignment system is classified between "Open Palm" and "Closed Fist." In theory, neither is intrinsically evil. The former values providing support to the weak while the latter believes in provoking and challenging them to overcome obstacles themselves.

In Mass Effect, it is "Paragon" and "Renegade." Paragons would negotiate with terrorists to free hostages, while Renegades would kill them all to send a message. Neither is considered evil in the narrative. The former believes in peace through compromise while the latter believes in peace through fear, but they both have good objectives.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
You have to understand this from the point of a used to be Star Wars table top RPG player.

Star Wars is an awesome game to play, when you aren't limited to the standard good vs. evil light saber dueling and all that jazz.
It can be fun but its much more fun to be a chaotic self smuggler/explorer who sometimes does kill contracts.

I want to be able to explore space, find hidden things, develop skills like bartering/trade, not be limited to only blaster pistols or rifles or light sabers.

It's dry, when constantly repeated like that.
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I always wanted to play a tabletop game of Star Wars set during the Clone Wars so I could play nothing but clone troopers, so if my character died, I'd just roll up a new one real quick each and every time. I think that would be the greatest fun I could have in a Star Wars game, even at the expense of being a Force user.
 
Morality Games said:
Bioware left D&D morality behind in Neverwinter Nights/Baldur's Gate. Light-sided Sith are people who prefer to promote life and compassion wherever they can, but are constrained by the darkness that empowers them and institutions (The Dark Council of Sith Lords) that bind them. They probably believe in the Sith Code and look down on the Jedi Code, but espouse an interpretation of it that does not preclude honor and some measure of decency.

In Jade Empire, the alignment system is classified between "Open Palm" and "Closed Fist." In theory, neither is intrinsically evil. The former values providing support to the weak while the latter believes in provoking and challenging them to overcome obstacles themselves.

In Mass Effect, it is "Paragon" and "Renegade." Paragons would negotiate with terrorists to free hostages, while Renegades would kill them all to send a message. Neither is considered evil in the narrative. The former believes in peace through compromise while the latter believes in peace through fear, but they both have good objectives.
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I know all that about the other games. :p I was just asking about the new Star Wars MMO if "lawful evil" was a good analogue for Light Sith. If not, what is the concept more like?
 
samsmart said:
I always wanted to play a tabletop game of Star Wars set during the Clone Wars so I could play nothing but clone troopers, so if my character died, I'd just roll up a new one real quick each and every time. I think that would be the greatest fun I could have in a Star Wars game, even at the expense of being a Force user.
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He set his in the world of Vader and all that, but as the game progressed (before we became friends) Vader was killed with the emperor.
It was fun because I could literally be any character I wanted, be any Star Wars related Alien and go any where.

He also made his own aliens and hidden cultures outside of the game books.
 
samsmart said:
I know all that about the other games. :p I was just asking about the new Star Wars MMO if "lawful evil" was a good analogue for Light Sith. If not, what is the concept more like?
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Hard to tell because they haven't elaborated on the characters. In his appearances, the light-sided Sith Warrior is portrayed as honorable and decent, with aristocratic overtones. Kind of like "good Roman" soldier. You serve an Imperialist cause and believe at least nominally in "Might Makes Right" (or maybe you just don't see an alternative), but show consideration to those who deserve it and restraint in situations where darker-aligned Sith would crush everybody and cackle evilly. The Sith Empire's law is pretty draconian, so any observance of lofty moral ideals pushes the light-sided Sith Warrior into the chaotic spectrum, to put it in D&D terms. Still, he is an enforcer of the Sith Empire, so he gravitates around the letter of the law.

He set his in the world of Vader and all that, but as the game progressed (before we became friends) Vader was killed with the emperor.
It was fun because I could literally be any character I wanted, be any Star Wars related Alien and go any where.

He also made his own aliens and hidden cultures outside of the game books.
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I sympathize with your desire for options, but with all the storyboards and programming that goes into a virtual game, it is hard to plot around sandbox features. At best it would be picturesque, that is, a non-linear narrative. That undermine any epic tone to the story, and Star Wars tends to be characterized as an epic. In all probability, it wouldn't have much of a story at all -- just a setting and your own imagination to fill in the gaps.
 
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The Giant Noodle said:
--Kirk, Spock--
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At the right time, absolutley brilliant. Hard to watch now because it's dated badly. Didn't enjoy the Star Trek films though.

The Giant Noodle said:
-- Janeway--
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Love DS9 and Voyager - brilliant stuff. Cisco / Sisko and Janeway are really engaging characters and that's why I love the two series. The next Generation had boring (to me) characters like Picard etc)

The Giant Noodle said:
-- Anikin, Darth, C3PO, Luke, Leia?
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We get into whether you like 4,5 and 6 or 1,2 and 3 or the whole shebang here.. I enjoyed 3,4,5 and 6 as this is the main story of how Anikin changes from saviour to tyrant and the story is really made by the last sequence in Star Wars 3.

1 and 2 have unforgiveable characters for which George Lucas should either be shot or thoroughly ashamed, they also lack the one essential ingredient - "story" - that makes any film worth watching or following.
 
IMO, the only thing that really, truly sucked in the newer Star Wars movies (other than Jar-Jar), was the attempt to create romance between Anakin and Padme. Stilted dialog and an utter lack of anything like chemistry. That was painful to watch.
 
Star Wars is to depressing a franchise. 6 movies and some cartoons and books.

Star Trek is far more uplifting plus has had some hot babes that Star Wars never had! Star Trek has had 5 series, with 3 lasting 7 seasons, one for 5 seasons and the original for 3. Has had 11 movies so far, with a 12th in the works. Has huge book collection as well.

Stargate should get a mention too :) since that is a franchise that has almost reached the same heights as Star Trek and dwarfs Star Wars. One series that lasted 10 years, one series that last 5, and a new series that shows much promise. It has had 1 major feature film (which started it all), and 2 made for TV movies. Plus Stargate has the uncanny method of explaining myths, historical events and persons and so on, in a far more believable way than any Sci Fi tv series ever.

But as a Sci Fi in general.. any Sci Fi is great!
 
Goshin said:
IMO, the only thing that really, truly sucked in the newer Star Wars movies (other than Jar-Jar), was the attempt to create romance between Anakin and Padme. Stilted dialog and an utter lack of anything like chemistry. That was painful to watch.
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Anakin yeah, Natalie Portman is anything but painful to watch. :mrgreen:
 
spud_meister said:
Anakin yeah, Natalie Portman is anything but painful to watch. :mrgreen:
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Raise ya a T´Pal in Star Trek Enterprise, or a Seven of Nine in Voyager! Heck Dax in DS9 was not bad either!
 
PeteEU said:
Raise ya a T´Pal in Star Trek Enterprise, or a Seven of Nine in Voyager! Heck Dax in DS9 was not bad either!
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Nothing beats this:

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Blackdog said:
Well we all know liberals can't understand heady science fiction. :2razz:
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Well, both of them are a lot more fiction than science, but star wars is a better story. If I want real science fiction, I'll read a book.
 
Goshin said:
IMO, the only thing that really, truly sucked in the newer Star Wars movies (other than Jar-Jar), was the attempt to create romance between Anakin and Padme. Stilted dialog and an utter lack of anything like chemistry. That was painful to watch.
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Well, while George Lucas is absolutely excellent at creating settings and writing stories, he's absolutely horrible when it comes to script-writing. I think he is too beholden to his vision and doesn't know when to allow his work to veer off his creative track.

In the movies, the romance is horrible. But in the Clone Wars, it's not nearly as forced. Then again, that's because George Lucas is only producing it, not writing it. It's a much better show because of it too.
 
You 13 that voted for Star Trek voted for Communism. Just think about that you Communists.
 
soccerboy22 said:
You 13 that voted for Star Trek voted for Communism. Just think about that you Communists.
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Yea! galactic communism!!!!

It will work this time!
 
I really can't answer since I both like and detest aspects of both franchises. As far as I'm concerned, the Star Wars franchise ended in 1984. Nothing Lucas has done since exists. The same is true of Star Trek, other than movies. Nothing done after the original series is real. It's all a figment of your imagination. I'll accept all of the original cast movies, nothing more.
 
Star Trek is good, but it can't compare to the original Star Wars.
 
Goshin said:
IMO, the only thing that really, truly sucked in the newer Star Wars movies (other than Jar-Jar), was the attempt to create romance between Anakin and Padme. Stilted dialog and an utter lack of anything like chemistry. That was painful to watch.
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OH! And lets not forget the WORST ACTOR IN A MOVIE award. Hayden Christensen is the worst actor Ive EVER seen. Just horrible. I saw better acting in my local church plays. :roll:
 
Star Trek outmatches Star Wars technologically in almost every way. One Constellation class starship could lay waste to an entire fleet of star destroyers. In the episode "mirror, mirror" the ISS Enterprise destroyed the entire surface of the Halkan planet, a feat that took "The Empire" a battle station the size of a small moon to best.

and for you guys calling "Star Trek" communist. remember that Starfleet was basically the military branch of the federation. All militaries look like communists to the outside observer. Hell, they had gambling and pleasure planets and green orion slave girl hookers. what did Star wars have???? wookies and ewoks.


Why is Star Trek better than Star Wars??????


Sub-Commander T'Pol

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versus

Jar-Jar Binks


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Game, Set, Match: Star Trek wins!!!!!
 
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