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Star Trek or Star Wars?

Star Trek or Star Wars?


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I've always thought of Star Trek as being *drum roll please* socialist.

I mean...No money in the Federation, really, free access to education if you pass tests, etc... It seems like what socialists wish for in their fondest dreams.

The Klingons, not so much.

And, the relentlessly capitalistic Ferengi are portrayed as villains quite often...

Well if I had a replicator I turn socialist too :)

ohh yea.... Star Trek for the win TNG>DS9>TOS>VGR
 
Star wars by a gigantic margin. Hell, even the prequel trilogy is better than star trek.
 
Well if I had a replicator I turn socialist too :)

ohh yea.... Star Trek for the win TNG>DS9>TOS>VGR
There is that...

Ability to turn energy into any material object you wish (with some limitations, obviously, such as replicator size and energy requirements), and nearly unlimited energy sources...

Who needs money?
 
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Star wars by a gigantic margin. Hell, even the prequel trilogy is better than star trek.

Well we all know liberals can't understand heady science fiction. :2razz:
 
I am a huge Star Wars fan, like beyond huge. I don't know if Episodes I and II beat anything...
I have to say that while I may have liked individual episodes of Star Trek more than some parts of some movies in the Star Wars series...

Overall, I preferred Star Wars over Star Trek.

Likely because of (at some level) what one person mentioned already - that Star Wars had elements of Fantasy mixed with Sci-Fi, as opposed to Star Trek's majority Sci-Fi focus.

And since I've enjoyed both Sci-Fi and Fantasy, in multiple media formats, and some combos of the two most of all...well yeah.

Anyone ever read a book entitled "Rise of the Fury" (I think that's it's title)?

It's a good combo of Sci-Fi and Fantasy, IMO.

But who knows...
 
I thought Luke Skywalker was so cute when I was a kid.
 
I've always thought of Star Trek as being *drum roll please* socialist.

I mean...No money in the Federation, really, free access to education if you pass tests, etc... It seems like what socialists wish for in their fondest dreams.

The Klingons, not so much.

And, the relentlessly capitalistic Ferengi are portrayed as villains quite often...

The reason why the Ferengi were portrayed as villians wasn't because they were capitalistic. During TNG, when Roddenberry was in control of production, he was set to make the Ferengi the big bads of the series, much like the Klingons were in TOS, and were initiatlly designed to be militaristic. Unfortunately, this was an epic fail. Their extreme capitalistic nature didn't really develop until DS9, when a Ferengi was a major cast member. With a Ferengi available in nearly every episode of a series, they had a chance to further develop the culture of the Ferengi, and decided to do it in a comedic way by making them aliens who worship capitalism to the extreme, which gave the Ferengi a way to develop into 3-dimensional characters instead of the run-of-the-mill baddie of the week they were at the start of TNG.

AND STOP MAKING ME SHOW OFF MY NERD LORE!!!
 
The reason why the Ferengi were portrayed as villians wasn't because they were capitalistic. During TNG, when Roddenberry was in control of production, he was set to make the Ferengi the big bads of the series, much like the Klingons were in TOS, and were initiatlly designed to be militaristic. Unfortunately, this was an epic fail. Their extreme capitalistic nature didn't really develop until DS9, when a Ferengi was a major cast member. With a Ferengi available in nearly every episode of a series, they had a chance to further develop the culture of the Ferengi, and decided to do it in a comedic way by making them aliens who worship capitalism to the extreme, which gave the Ferengi a way to develop into 3-dimensional characters instead of the run-of-the-mill baddie of the week they were at the start of TNG.

AND STOP MAKING ME SHOW OFF MY NERD LORE!!!
I bow to your knowledge, oh epic sage of nerd lore. :mrgreen:
 
The reason why the Ferengi were portrayed as villians wasn't because they were capitalistic. During TNG, when Roddenberry was in control of production, he was set to make the Ferengi the big bads of the series, much like the Klingons were in TOS, and were initiatlly designed to be militaristic. Unfortunately, this was an epic fail. Their extreme capitalistic nature didn't really develop until DS9, when a Ferengi was a major cast member. With a Ferengi available in nearly every episode of a series, they had a chance to further develop the culture of the Ferengi, and decided to do it in a comedic way by making them aliens who worship capitalism to the extreme, which gave the Ferengi a way to develop into 3-dimensional characters instead of the run-of-the-mill baddie of the week they were at the start of TNG.

AND STOP MAKING ME SHOW OFF MY NERD LORE!!!

Youre 100% correct. Ferengi were laughable when they came out. They looked ridiculous! I remember people makingg fun of them actually. But I agree with what the other guy posted, Feregni are the MiddleEastern Jews and Klingons were the Russian blacks. In fact I read it somewhere on the internet regarding this same topic. The Vulcans were the Japanese and the Romulans were the CHinese. Something like that.
 
Neither. Mass Effect.

Both between the two.

They both have checkered pasts. The new Star Trek film was phenomenal, but I'm looking forward to Star Wars: The Old Republic than the sequel.

YouTube - Star Wars: The Old Republic - "Hope" Cinematic Trailer

The Old Republic is AMAZING, but I'd have personally preferred if it was like kotor, rather than an MMO like WoW. Also, the Betrayal cinematic trailer is pretty epic too :D

And Mass Effect is by far the greatest RPG universe ever made. It's simply immense, and the freedom you have in the game is awesome (in the literal meaning of the word).
 
The Old Republic is AMAZING, but I'd have personally preferred if it was like kotor, rather than an MMO like WoW. Also, the Betrayal cinematic trailer is pretty epic too :D

And Mass Effect is by far the greatest RPG universe ever made. It's simply immense, and the freedom you have in the game is awesome (in the literal meaning of the word).

I see where your coming from, though I think that its being a MMORPG will pay off in ways a solo-player RPG wouldn't. The sheer variety and amount of story and character driven gameplay it promises is staggering.

YouTube - Star Wars: The Old Republic Space Combat Trailer

One for the good guys.
 
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I see where your coming from, though I think that its being a MMORPG will pay off in ways a solo-player RPG wouldn't. The sheer variety and amount of story and character driven gameplay it promises is staggering.

YouTube - Star Wars: The Old Republic Space Combat Trailer

One for the good guys.
I'm quite interested in that game.

In a vaguely related matter, what's your take on the (apparently) upcoming Warhammer 40,000 MMORPG?

That interests me to an extent as well.
 
I see where your coming from, though I think that its being a MMORPG will pay off in ways a solo-player RPG wouldn't. The sheer variety and amount of story and character driven gameplay it promises is staggering.

YouTube - Star Wars: The Old Republic Space Combat Trailer

One for the good guys.

Another good vs. evil Star Wars game. :(

I wish they would make an expansive sand box Star Wars game.
Like Fallout with space action on multiple planets.

Not always about Dark side vs Light side.
 
I love both equally, for different reasons. I was first introduced to Star Trek in 4th grade, when I met a kid on the playground tossing a tribble around. Been a fan ever since.

Star Wars was the first movie I ever went to where I the audience cheered (destruction of the Death Star). I got back in line and saw it again immediately after that first show (it was May 26th, 1977... second night of release). Currently, I have an original Don Post Studios two-piece Darth Vader mask sitting on my desk at work, keeping the minions in check.

EDIT: Also, is there a cooler weapon in the whole of science fiction-dom, than the light saber? I think not.

Last Halloween, I went out with my 10 yr old.... I dressed as George W. Bush, Jedi Knight. Army fatigues, combat boots, a latex Bush mask, and a Force FX light saber (fully lit).
 
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I see where your coming from, though I think that its being a MMORPG will pay off in ways a solo-player RPG wouldn't. The sheer variety and amount of story and character driven gameplay it promises is staggering.

YouTube - Star Wars: The Old Republic Space Combat Trailer

One for the good guys.

I agree that the amount of gameplay with an MMO is way more then you could hope to have with a regular RPG, but I really don't like the notion of having to form raiding parties like in WoW, and having bosses that you can't beat on your own. And I also loved the story line of the first kotor game, and I wouldn't mind if they just continued that story (though they are indirectly).
 
Another good vs. evil Star Wars game. :(

I wish they would make an expansive sand box Star Wars game.
Like Fallout with space action on multiple planets.

Not always about Dark side vs Light side.

Well, faction and alignment are distinct. There can be "light-sided" Sith Warriors, for example. As I understand it, the difference is that a Sith Warrior would corner his target, beat them up, and tell them to get off planet and never come back. A "dark-sided" Sith Warrior would just kill them. Going in that direction, a "light-sided" Sith Inquisitor would, when ordered to torture a prisoner with lightening, give them a low dose, whereas a "dark-sided" Sith Inquisitor would fry them with, "unlimited power," as Palpatine does to Mace Windu is Episode III.

In essence, "good" Sith would be like anti-heroes, people who make use of the Dark Side of the Force without letting their conscience be subsumed by it.

Meanwhile, Republic characters (including Jedi) can be paragons of the Light Side in the manner of Yoda or strum the darkness in the manner of pre-fall Anakin, or some EU characters.
 
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Well, faction and alignment are distinct. There can be "light-sided" Sith Warriors, for example. As I understand it, the difference is that a Sith Warrior would corner his target, beat them up, and tell them to get off planet and never come back. A "dark-sided" Sith Warrior would just kill them. Going in that direction, a "light-sided" Sith Inquisitor would, when ordered to torture a prisoner with lightening, give them a low dose, whereas a "dark-sided" Sith Inquisitor would fry them with, "unlimited power," as Palpatine does to Mace Windu is Episode III.

In essence, "good" Sith would be like anti-heroes, people who make use of the Dark Side of the Force without letting their conscience be subsumed by it.

Meanwhile, Republic characters (including Jedi) can be paragons of the Light Side in the manner of Yoda or strum the darkness in the manner of pre-fall Anakin, or some EU characters.

So you're saying that Light Sith are lawful evil, while regular Sith are either neutral evil or chaotic evil?
 
Star Wars for sure. I always found Star Trek to be incredibly boring. Seriously...even on Sat/Sun afternoon when there wasn't anything else on TV I wouldn't watch it.
 
Well, faction and alignment are distinct. There can be "light-sided" Sith Warriors, for example. As I understand it, the difference is that a Sith Warrior would corner his target, beat them up, and tell them to get off planet and never come back. A "dark-sided" Sith Warrior would just kill them. Going in that direction, a "light-sided" Sith Inquisitor would, when ordered to torture a prisoner with lightening, give them a low dose, whereas a "dark-sided" Sith Inquisitor would fry them with, "unlimited power," as Palpatine does to Mace Windu is Episode III.

In essence, "good" Sith would be like anti-heroes, people who make use of the Dark Side of the Force without letting their conscience be subsumed by it.

Meanwhile, Republic characters (including Jedi) can be paragons of the Light Side in the manner of Yoda or strum the darkness in the manner of pre-fall Anakin, or some EU characters.

You have to understand this from the point of a used to be Star Wars table top RPG player.

Star Wars is an awesome game to play, when you aren't limited to the standard good vs. evil light saber dueling and all that jazz.
It can be fun but its much more fun to be a chaotic self smuggler/explorer who sometimes does kill contracts.

I want to be able to explore space, find hidden things, develop skills like bartering/trade, not be limited to only blaster pistols or rifles or light sabers.

It's dry, when constantly repeated like that.
 
You have to understand this from the point of a used to be Star Wars table top RPG player.

Star Wars is an awesome game to play, when you aren't limited to the standard good vs. evil light saber dueling and all that jazz.
It can be fun but its much more fun to be a chaotic self smuggler/explorer who sometimes does kill contracts.

I want to be able to explore space, find hidden things, develop skills like bartering/trade, not be limited to only blaster pistols or rifles or light sabers.

It's dry, when constantly repeated like that.

You know in The Old Republic you can be a smuggler, and you don't have to be a jedi, or a sith.
 
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