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Prostitution

Should Prostitution be legalized?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 80.8%
  • No

    Votes: 6 8.2%
  • George Bush

    Votes: 8 11.0%

  • Total voters
    73
Prostitution is degrading to the morals of the worker, the customer, the handlers, and the society which tolerates it...

Why? ... any explanation would be nice.

Sex is sacred. Whether we admit it or not, sexuality plays a profound role in our sense of self and our relationships with others; our sex drive is intrinsically attached to our need for intimacy. Fulfilling our natural sexual drives and needs with pornography and promiscuity is like fulfilling our hunger with junk food-- it satiates us, but it is profoundly unhealthy and it deadens our taste for more wholesome fare. When we can have one-night stands and pay others for purely selfish sexual gratification, we forget the importance of also providing sexual gratification to others. Promiscuity harms our self-image and our ability to interact with people as other than sex objects.

Prostitution is nothing more than adding profit incentives to promiscuity, which makes all of the problems with it far worse.
 
Sex is sacred. Whether we admit it or not, sexuality plays a profound role in our sense of self and our relationships with others; our sex drive is intrinsically attached to our need for intimacy. Fulfilling our natural sexual drives and needs with pornography and promiscuity is like fulfilling our hunger with junk food-- it satiates us, but it is profoundly unhealthy and it deadens our taste for more wholesome fare. When we can have one-night stands and pay others for purely selfish sexual gratification, we forget the importance of also providing sexual gratification to others. Promiscuity harms our self-image and our ability to interact with people as other than sex objects.Prostitution is nothing more than adding profit incentives to promiscuity, which makes all of the problems with it far worse.
So do you have anything behind what you say, or did you just copy-paste from Pat Robertson's website?

I bolded all the things you boldly asserted without a lick of proof, or even the consideration that other people don't share your backward views about sex.

You'd do well to worry about your own sex life, and stop trying to dictate other people's as though it were any of your business whatsoever.
 
So do you have anything behind what you say, or did you just copy-paste from Pat Robertson's website?

I bolded all the things you boldly asserted without a lick of proof, or even the consideration that other people don't share your backward views about sex.

You'd do well to worry about your own sex life, and stop trying to dictate other people's as though it were any of your business whatsoever.

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@ Korimyr the Rat
Ah, we finally disagree. It all comes down to self ownership.
I am the exclusive controller of my body; not you.
 
Do you think the brothels aren't regulated? And do you think less women will get forced to work if it is illegal? It is very hard to force someone to work in a legal brothel, because they are regulated. Actually due to the regulations, some brothels stay illegal. And you could force someone to work in any business, but what is the point, when you can hire ordinary workers who will do it freely? What cost? There are very few problems in New Zealand due to prostitution and the ones that exist come from street prostitution, not brothels. If it was criminalized then there would be a lot more street prostitution, because you can only criminalize buying sex, not selling. Even if you criminalized selling, it would still exist underground and lots of prostitutes would be in prison. Our red light district is completely safe and families walk there during the day. It wasn't safe before it was legalized.

In fact, criminalizing it causes much more problems. Because the whole industry goes under the earth, and prostitutes have to rely on pimps to safely give them clients. If it's legal, then they can open up their own business.

Stats show that this is true. "More than 60 per cent felt they were more able to refuse to provide commercial sexual services to a particular client since the enactment of the law."

The Red Light district is a fine example of my point - if it happens there then it can happen anywhere.
No matter how strict your regulations, no matter what lengths you go to ensure safety and so on - there will always be people taking advantage of it and bringing their dregery with them while they do it.

I'm not making that up - that is purely based on the many many problems they've dealt with in the *very regulated, monitored and government controled* Red Light District - they've scaled it down in size considerably and people are pretty much tired of the other stuff it invites to the area.

However - I'm not against people selling their selves if they want. What I'm against is it becoming an organized, regulated, defined and assigned business like an actual brothel.

If someone wants to prostitute their self around by all means - but it shouldn't be recognized as a legitimate business practice.
 
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I think there's something sexist in saying that a woman is flexing her equality by working as a doctor, saving lives, but somehow degrades herself selling sex. What is it about sex that devalues a woman? It doesn't even have to be a woman, as many sex workers are male. What is degrading about sex?

Somehow degrades herself selling sex? A $20 blow job in the alley on some dirty old guy who hasn't showered in three days? That's not degrading? You and I have a very different definition of the word 'degrading.'
 
Somehow degrades herself selling sex? A $20 blow job in the alley on some dirty old guy who hasn't showered in three days? That's not degrading? You and I have a very different definition of the word 'degrading.'

A waitress who works in a dirty, run down diner waiting on dirty old guys who slobber and fawn all over her and/or treat her like a slave for $4/hr. That's pretty ****ing degrading.

I certainly didn't find champagne by candlelight and sex with attractive men for $500+/hr to be degrading.

What's degrading is up to the individual to determine. ANY job can be degrading. Which is why it's a good thing that "degrading" isn't a pre-requisite for making or keeping something illegal.
 
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Why should it be illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away for free?
 
The Red Light district is a fine example of my point - if it happens there then it can happen anywhere.
No matter how strict your regulations, no matter what lengths you go to ensure safety and so on - there will always be people taking advantage of it and bringing their dregery with them while they do it.

I'm not making that up - that is purely based on the many many problems they've dealt with in the *very regulated, monitored and government controled* Red Light District - they've scaled it down in size considerably and people are pretty much tired of the other stuff it invites to the area.

However - I'm not against people selling their selves if they want. What I'm against is it becoming an organized, regulated, defined and assigned business like an actual brothel.

If someone wants to prostitute their self around by all means - but it shouldn't be recognized as a legitimate business practice.

What if we make it so a brothel has to be in a low population area, such as in the country side?
 
Why should it be illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away for free?

Precisely. I can go **** the entire Dallas Cowboys team but if someone gives me a dollar in the process suddenly it's illegal and immoral and degrading and harmful to society and promote sex slavery and OMG THINK OF TEH CHILDRENZ.
 
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A waitress who works in a dirty, run down diner waiting on dirty old guys who slobber and fawn all over her and/or treat her like a slave for $4/hr. That's pretty ****ing degrading.

I certainly didn't find champagne by candlelight and sex with attractive men for $500+/hr to be degrading.

What's degrading is up to the individual to determine. ANY job can be degrading. Which is why it's a good thing that "degrading" isn't a pre-requisite for making or keeping something illegal.

If your idea of prostitution is $500 tricks and champagne by candlelight, you've watched Pretty Woman too many times.
 
I prefer the "2 for 2 for 3" special. 2 girls, 2 hours, 3 hundred $$
 
If your idea of prostitution is $500 tricks and champagne by candlelight, you've watched Pretty Woman too many times.

Or maybe I was one. And hardly one of the more expensive ones at that.

If your idea of prostitution are crack ho's on the streetcorner, then you've watched way too many movies and CSIs. Those gals are the minority in the profession. They are the lowest common denominator and hardly representative of the large picture.
 
Precisely. I can go **** the entire Dallas Cowboys team but if someone gives me a dollar in the process suddenly it's illegal and immoral and degrading and harmful to society and promote sex slavery and OMG THINK OF TEH CHILDRENZ.

Do we get to call you Debbie after?
 
IMHO, prostitution is one of those "victimless" crimes. If she wants to sell it and he wants to buy it (or vice-versa) then is it really any of our ****ing business?
 
What if we make it so a brothel has to be in a low population area, such as in the country side?

I'm not concerned with location - I merely don't approve of it being governed *by* the government.
I would consider it *fun* - non reportable income (if it's a small amount earned here and there) OR purely 'self employment' - not something that should be dictated by the government with extra regulation and so forth.

If women and men who want to prostitute decide to get together and form a self-interest guild or an organization - that's fine. If they want to set up their own "certification" and what have you - that's fine too.

But the government shouldn't be dictating the rules, providing safety - or anything of that nature.

All existing rules and regulations which currently apply to the porn industry should be sufficient for prostitution - nothing more necessary.
 
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The Red Light district is a fine example of my point - if it happens there then it can happen anywhere.
No matter how strict your regulations, no matter what lengths you go to ensure safety and so on - there will always be people taking advantage of it and bringing their dregery with them while they do it.
There will always be problems, but there will be less of them. Parts of the reason why the red light district is so active, is because very few nations in Europe allow prostitution. (and the red light district isn't that bad. It's safe to walk there at night.) Hence, a lot of people go to Amsterdam from other European countries. New Zealand is a better case of what will happen if US allow prostitution. And we don't have any crime problems due to legalization of prostitution. It actually helped and improved the conditions of prostitutes.

Secondly, if Netherlands prohibited prostitution again, then it would be scattered all around Amsterdam. Would that be better?

BTW: Prohibiting brothels won't help. Street prostitution causes a lot more problems than brothels.
 
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There will always be problems, but there will be less of them. Parts of the reason why the red light district is so active, is because very few nations in Europe allow prostitution. (and the red light district isn't that bad. It's safe to walk there at night.) Hence, a lot of people go to Amsterdam from other European countries. New Zealand is a better case of what will happen if US allow prostitution. And we don't have any crime problems due to legalization of prostitution. It actually helped and improved the conditions of prostitutes.

Secondly, if Netherlands prohibited prostitution again, then it would be scattered all around Amsterdam. Would that be better?

BTW: Prohibiting brothels won't help. Street prostitution causes a lot more problems than brothels.

I'm not bothered by the 'problems' it causes.

I don't feel the government should take on the role of being 'a pimp' with my tax-dollars.
 
Sex is sacred. Whether I admit it or not, sexuality plays a profound role in my sense of self and my relationships with others; my sex drive is intrinsically attached to my need for intimacy. Fulfilling my natural sexual drives and needs with pornography and promiscuity is like fulfilling my hunger with junk food-- it satiates me, but it is profoundly unhealthy and it deadens my taste for more wholesome fare. When I can have one-night stands and pay others for purely selfish sexual gratification, I forget the importance of also providing sexual gratification to others. Promiscuity harms my self-image and my ability to interact with people as other than sex objects.

Prostitution is nothing more than adding profit incentives to promiscuity, which makes all of the problems with it far worse.

Corrected.

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I prefer the "2 for 2 for 3" special. 2 girls, 2 hours, 3 hundred $$

So, what do you do for the last hour and fifty eight minutes?
 
Why should it be illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away for free?

Because the government doesn't get their cut, that's why.
It's illegal to sell anything of any value without notifying the government and paying them their alleged due. But it's okay to give it away without telling them (as long as it's not money, in which case you still have to tell them... or a car, or land, or a house).

Trust me; I've had more than my share of trouble from the IRS.

The solution is to legalize prostitution, make prostitutes declare their tips, and tax them as independent contractors, much like any other adult entertainer.
 
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I'm somewhat torn on some aspects of this.

Firstly, I was raised in a conservative Christian household - to the point where my parents frown on sex before marriage, let alone sex for money.

On the other hand, I have heard stories about the terrible things that happen in the sex trafficking trade.

And I think there is likely a way that prostitution could be made legal that would extremely limit and/or eliminate it, at least in those countries that legalized it.

Firstly, you could classify the various types of sex acts - methinks those sick ****s (and I'm sure they're out there somewhere) who want to **** someone and then kill them - would be **** out of luck.

The same with extreme levels of sadism, masochism and the like.

But I think anything less than that could be regulated in some way that would reduce the amount of crime (and I don’t mean prostitutes being caught “working”) related to sex.

Then again, I could be wrong.
 
I'm not bothered by the 'problems' it causes.

I don't feel the government should take on the role of being 'a pimp' with my tax-dollars.

*too late edit of the previous statement*

I meant to say "I'm not bothered by the social problems" : spread of STDS, violence - etc. . . those are my personal issues. That'sa part of life and a risk you take no matterwhat - turning ti into a business, in my opinion, isn't going to hike those higher than they are, now.
 
It should be legal. You can have oversight then, proper regulation and testing and fair wages; that sort of thing. I'm sure you'll probably never really get rid of the street walker sort of scenario, but through legalization and proper regulation you can make the situation a lot better for many others. And there's no base reason on why prostitution should be illegal.

Yeah, they're ripping off customers. :lamo
 
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