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Prostitution

Should Prostitution be legalized?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 80.8%

  • No

    Votes: 6 8.2%

  • George Bush

    Votes: 8 11.0%
  • Total voters
    73
Catz Part Deux said:
I wouldn't want to do it for a living, but I have no problems with it being legal.
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We need some form of consistency in the law, so if we can have abortions, the same principle should legalize prostitution. Thats the only reason I'd support this
 
Im not convinced legal prostitution would get rid of iilegal prostitution.Does having a few brothels guarantee there wont be women who are forced into it to?
 
mikhail said:
Im not convinced legal prostitution would get rid of iilegal prostitution.Does having a few brothels guarantee there wont be women who are forced into it to?
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No, but while everything that can be done, should be done to help involuntary sex workers, it would make the business safer for those who are in it voluntarily, which is still an improvement.
 
Prostitution do not may be legal.Period.
 
phattonez said:
Forget your personal views of it, should it be legal or not?
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I say yes as long as the prostitutes follow health and safety guidelines and get regularly tested once a week for STDs and be required by law show their customers the STD test results and the date of those test results. With the health screenings there should be no license requirements since the prostitute would be regularly shelling out cash for STD tests.
 
Prostitution should remain illegal. What happens if the prostitute becomes pregnant? It won't stop illegal prostitution. I'm sure illegal prostitution will exist and be cheaper than legalized whore houses. I also think it degrades women, degrades society, and is just a bad thing in general. I see no good in legalizing prostitution.
 
Camlon said:
I'm in favour. Here in New Zealand prostitution is legal, and because of that I have never experienced any prostitutes coming up to me asking if I want to have sex like they did all the time at the main street in Norway. Our red light district is Karangahape Road (aka K Road) and you safely walk there in the middle of night.

First off I don't see why men can't buy sex if it's done in a proper manner. Secondly, legalizing it takes away the black market because you rather want to have sex at a official place so you don't get STDs or get robbed. Thirdly, the prostitution industry didn't increase after decriminalization.

Prostitution reform has little effect - National - NZ Herald News
"More than 60 per cent felt they were more able to refuse to provide commercial sexual services to a particular client since the enactment of the law."
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Actually - organized crime rings often net profits through prostitution - especially in legalized areas such as the Red-Light district.

How that works is the cartel (or whoever is running the sex-ring) supports, encourages or forces a woman to submit to the sex-work environment. Threats against her or her family and drug addiction are often used as tools to ensure these women will work for the cartel without ratting them out to the authorities.

Thus - it's a legal outlet for cartels to earn high profits.

In the end the government ends up being the bouncer at the titty bar - and costing taxpayers $$ and legislation and law enforcement a continual headache.

Is the individual personal-gain for some individuals (getting off - or giving head for a few bucks) *really* worth the other problems it inevitably causes?
 
digsbe said:
What happens if the prostitute becomes pregnant?
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Now that present an interesting dilemma I hadn't thought about.

Do the words "Hi, remember me?" ring a bell.....lol
 
Crosscheck said:
Now that present an interesting dilemma I hadn't thought about.

Do the words "Hi, remember me?" ring a bell.....lol
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If she were a street-walker/crack addict type prostitute, I'm going to speculate she would abort or have the baby and raise it herself.
If she were a high-priced escort who serviced only a few "regular customers" (aka sugar daddies), she might well take them to court, demand paternity tests, and hit the lucky dad up for child support.... or else try to blackmail him for a lump sum, in exchange for not taking him to court, demanding paternity tests, and hitting him up for child support.

Many women who work in the sex industry already have children; most are keenly aware that their window of opportunity to make *really good money* in the sex industry is brief, and the majority are not willing to waste two years of prime time gestating a fetus and then getting back into shape afterward.
When I was a dancer, there were many, many abortions among the dancers I knew.
Many had kids already, some planned to have more later, in their 30s... but few were willing to hang up their g-strings in their 20s in order to have a baby, when they could be making 60,000+ a year instead. They knew they only had a few years to make that kind of money.

I'd imagine prostitutes are the same.
 
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jamesrage said:
I say yes as long as the prostitutes follow health and safety guidelines and get regularly tested once a week for STDs and be required by law show their customers the STD test results and the date of those test results. With the health screenings there should be no license requirements since the prostitute would be regularly shelling out cash for STD tests.
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That's not going to happen. If the licensing process isn't easy then the workers simply won't do it and legalization is pointless. The point of legalization is about providing services and support to sex workers, and it's not about them owing us something.

This is about giving agency and control to the workers. It means removing control from the traffickers to kidnap people and force them to do sex work. Currently if those people run to the police to report that they've been raped or kidnapped, they themselves could be arrested for the kind of work they do; or if they testify in court, the jury will be biased against these sex workers for doing illegal activities, and may side with the defendant (rapist/sex offender).

No, if you make licensing have all of these requirements then the women who have already been working underground this whole time will just keep doing it. This is about taking away control and power from the traffickers and the Johns and putting it squarely in the hands of the workers.
 
digsbe said:
Prostitution should remain illegal. What happens if the prostitute becomes pregnant? It won't stop illegal prostitution. I'm sure illegal prostitution will exist and be cheaper than legalized whore houses. I also think it degrades women, degrades society, and is just a bad thing in general. I see no good in legalizing prostitution.
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It's still having sex and that still comes with all of the stipulations that any other sexual encounter would: birth control, knowing your partner, having knowledge about STDs and taking measures to protect yourself, etc. The only difference is that money is being exchanged. If someone gets pregnant then c'est la vie.

It degrades society more to force these workers to remain underground where they are raped, abused, cheated, and trapped. The ones that want to leave are given no recourse to do so because the entire system is against them and going for help is not an option; and those who want to stay have zero support resources to help them stay safe and maintain any kind of work standards. It may make us feel good about ourselves to have this practice criminalized and kept out of sight, but it's still happening everywhere and that to me is far more unethical than simply acknowledging a reality and then doing what we can to transform it into something more functional.

Legalization solves a lot of problems, it just has to be done carefully.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Now that present an interesting dilemma I hadn't thought about.

Do the words "Hi, remember me?" ring a bell.....lol
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If a woman is a prostitute doesn't that mean engaging in sex with random strangers is her profession? So whose door is she going to be knocking on saying "Hi remember me"?
 
jamesrage said:
If a woman is a prostitute doesn't that mean engaging in sex with random strangers is her profession? So whose door is she going to be knocking on saying "Hi remember me"?
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Prolly the guy whose wallet she stole.
 
jamesrage said:
I am sure the guy whose wallet she stole will say get a dna test.
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I don't know about your wife but even I smile and tell my wife "Relax honey, the DNA says it wasn't mine" I am still going to lose part of my scalp.
 
I've never understood why sex in particular is viewed as degrading or objectifying the sex worker. Sex is a product and a profession like anything else, and every job, no matter what it is, turns you into an object.

A lawyer is a law object, whose only value to the client is his legal skills. The miner is a mining object, whose value is only in his digging skills. Sex is no different, and is no more or less degrading than any other profession.

I think there's something sexist in saying that a woman is flexing her equality by working as a doctor, saving lives, but somehow degrades herself selling sex. What is it about sex that devalues a woman? It doesn't even have to be a woman, as many sex workers are male. What is degrading about sex?
 
Prostitution is degrading to the morals of the worker, the customer, the handlers, and the society which tolerates it-- even societies such as ours, in which it is illegal but only lightly enforced. It should not be legalized, it should never be legalized, and our society needs to do more to see that it is effectively stamped out.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Prostitution is degrading to the morals of the worker, the customer, the handlers, and the society which tolerates it-- even societies such as ours, in which it is illegal but only lightly enforced. It should not be legalized, it should never be legalized, and our society needs to do more to see that it is effectively stamped out.
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Why?

I mean, don't get me wrong, you have a first amendment right to make flat assertions, but any explanation would be nice.
 
Yes! I have given thought to once it is? I am gonna open a B&B. It will not be your typical brothel as you can come there and get good ***** and wonderful food:)
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Actually - organized crime rings often net profits through prostitution - especially in legalized areas such as the Red-Light district.

How that works is the cartel (or whoever is running the sex-ring) supports, encourages or forces a woman to submit to the sex-work environment. Threats against her or her family and drug addiction are often used as tools to ensure these women will work for the cartel without ratting them out to the authorities.

Thus - it's a legal outlet for cartels to earn high profits.

In the end the government ends up being the bouncer at the titty bar - and costing taxpayers $$ and legislation and law enforcement a continual headache.

Is the individual personal-gain for some individuals (getting off - or giving head for a few bucks) *really* worth the other problems it inevitably causes?
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Do you think the brothels aren't regulated? And do you think less women will get forced to work if it is illegal? It is very hard to force someone to work in a legal brothel, because they are regulated. Actually due to the regulations, some brothels stay illegal. And you could force someone to work in any business, but what is the point, when you can hire ordinary workers who will do it freely? What cost? There are very few problems in New Zealand due to prostitution and the ones that exist come from street prostitution, not brothels. If it was criminalized then there would be a lot more street prostitution, because you can only criminalize buying sex, not selling. Even if you criminalized selling, it would still exist underground and lots of prostitutes would be in prison. Our red light district is completely safe and families walk there during the day. It wasn't safe before it was legalized.

In fact, criminalizing it causes much more problems. Because the whole industry goes under the earth, and prostitutes have to rely on pimps to safely give them clients. If it's legal, then they can open up their own business.

Stats show that this is true. "More than 60 per cent felt they were more able to refuse to provide commercial sexual services to a particular client since the enactment of the law."
 
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1069 said:
If she were a street-walker/crack addict type prostitute, I'm going to speculate she would abort or have the baby and raise it herself.
If she were a high-priced escort who serviced only a few "regular customers" (aka sugar daddies), she might well take them to court, demand paternity tests, and hit the lucky dad up for child support.... or else try to blackmail him for a lump sum, in exchange for not taking him to court, demanding paternity tests, and hitting him up for child support.

Many women who work in the sex industry already have children; most are keenly aware that their window of opportunity to make *really good money* in the sex industry is brief, and the majority are not willing to waste two years of prime time gestating a fetus and then getting back into shape afterward.
When I was a dancer, there were many, many abortions among the dancers I knew.
Many had kids already, some planned to have more later, in their 30s... but few were willing to hang up their g-strings in their 20s in order to have a baby, when they could be making 60,000+ a year instead. They knew they only had a few years to make that kind of money.

I'd imagine prostitutes are the same.[/QUOTE]

They/Dancers are prostitutes.. Just on another level. They are still presenting their body for money.
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