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Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

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The_Patriot said:
I agreed with your point which is why I never commented on it. France and the US are alike and shared similar experiences in their revolutions. Although, the French went overboard with the entire murdering of anyone that didn't agree with the Republicans.
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Thus, Maximilien Robespierre makes an appearance on my list of history's worst mass-murderers. Now, I'm aware that Robespierre wasn't quite the controlling head-honcho that Franco or Hitler were, and the Vendee and other specific atrocities of the French Revolution weren't actually related to Robespierre or his Reign of Terror. But I think, if one has to put a name to the atrocities of the French Revolution, Robespierre is the most suitable candidate -- just as I could have composed an entire list of Nazi leaders (from Goebbels to Goth to Himmler and beyond), but instead just lumped them all into "Hitler".
 
The French Revolution like many others turned on itself. Only 2 Revolutions/Breaking from a Colonial power did not turn on themselves. The new United States in 1781 to 1800 & Israel after the Jewish State was established with the Jewish Agency forming the rudiments of Government & the Hagannah evolving into the IDF.
 
Ned Racine said:
The French Revolution like many others turned on itself. Only 2 Revolutions/Breaking from a Colonial power did not turn on themselves. The new United States in 1781 to 1800 & Israel after the Jewish State was established with the Jewish Agency forming the rudiments of Government & the Hagannah evolving into the IDF.
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Umm a correction on the US since the US went through a period of three revolutions in specific years. 1776-1783 was the revolution against England. 1778 ended the Continental Congress and the Articles of Confederation took over. In 1789 the Congress of the Confederation ceased to exist as the US federal government under the Constitution replaced it.
 
Ned Racine said:
The French Revolution like many others turned on itself. Only 2 Revolutions/Breaking from a Colonial power did not turn on themselves. The new United States in 1781 to 1800 & Israel after the Jewish State was established with the Jewish Agency forming the rudiments of Government & the Hagannah evolving into the IDF.
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How do you figure? I'd say that the vast majority of revolutions and seccessions have led to the successful formation of a state -- take, for example, the Glorious Revolution in England, or the secession of India from the British Empire, or the Russian Revolution in 1917 -- all led to new, stable and unique nations at the time. Furthermore, the French Revolution led to the establishment of the first French Empire under Napoleon, which carried with it the fiery brand of Republicanism, which then managed to spread to all corners of the world, some of which it still inhabits today. I'd say the French Revolution was one of the most radically successful in history.

So I guess I'm asking, what the hell do you mean?
 
Le Marteau said:
How do you figure? I'd say that the vast majority of revolutions and seccessions have led to the successful formation of a state -- take, for example, the Glorious Revolution in England, or the secession of India from the British Empire, or the Russian Revolution in 1917 -- all led to new, stable and unique nations at the time. Furthermore, the French Revolution led to the establishment of the first French Empire under Napoleon, which carried with it the fiery brand of Republicanism, which then managed to spread to all corners of the world, some of which it still inhabits today. I'd say the French Revolution was one of the most radically successful in history.

So I guess I'm asking, what the hell do you mean?
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What I mean is that YOU obviously have selective amnesia OR more likely that 1917 upheaval is so precious in your mind that you cover it with other presumably similar events. By your Avatar I think you may be a John Reed admirer or close to it.
 
Ned Racine said:
Some of those indigenous "People of Color" that White Liberals can't see as other Flawed potentially corrupt Human beings. This bunch was particularly Nasty.
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So let me make sure I understand your argument:

1. Columbus and his crew massacred, raped, and kidnapped countless Native Americans 500 years ago.
2. A completely different group of Native Americans did something bad to a completely different group of people 250 years later.
3. Therefore, Columbus deserves to be celebrated.

Epic logic fail.
 
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No doubt-those most likely to bash Columbus or the holiday are the ones who are hyper critical of America and her greatness. Columbus is merely a symbol or effigy for America as the left sees her.
 
TurtleDude said:
No doubt-those most likely to bash Columbus or the holiday are the ones who are hyper critical of America and her greatness.
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"Bash Columbus"? It's one thing to say that we should have a holiday because he's part of history or he changed the world or yada yada, but are you honestly going to say that he DOESN'T deserve to be bashed? He was human trash. The fact that you are apologizing for a greedy, genocidal rapist is ****ing disgusting.

TurtleDude said:
Columbus is merely a symbol or effigy for America as the left sees her.
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I understand that you see it as the mission of conservatives to be dicks to the world for no reason (it IS possible to be a conservative without also being an ass), but I would guess that even many of your fellow conservatives would disagree with your adoration of Columbus, regardless of their stance on Columbus Day as a holiday.
 
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Kandahar said:
"Bash Columbus"? It's one thing to say that we should have a holiday because he's part of history or he changed the world or yada yada, but are you honestly going to say that he DOESN'T deserve to be bashed? He was human trash. The fact that you are apologizing for a greedy, genocidal rapist is ****ing disgusting.



I understand that you see it as the mission of conservatives to be dicks to the world for no reason (it IS possible to be a conservative without also being an ass), but I would guess that even many of your fellow conservatives would disagree with your adoration of Columbus, regardless of their stance on Columbus Day as a holiday.
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Thanks for proving my point. WTF cares about Columbus and all the panty wetting over him having a holiday is pathetic. But you do prove that those who rant about CC having a Holiday are generally the same American citizens who whine about America.

As I noted, CC is merely a surrogate for america in the eyes of the America bashers
 
TurtleDude said:
Thanks for proving my point. WTF cares about Columbus and all the panty wetting over him having a holiday is pathetic. But you do prove that those who rant about CC having a Holiday are generally the same American citizens who whine about America.
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First of all, YOU whine about America all the time. You whine about how our horrible democratic system allows the undeserving peons of America to steal your massive wealth out of "jealousy," being sure to remind us all every five minutes how rich you are.

Moving on...

TurtleDude said:
As I noted, CC is merely a surrogate for america in the eyes of the America bashers
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OK. Do you think that we should have a holiday honoring Cesar Chavez, for example? If not, should I foam at the mouth and say that you actually hate America? :roll:

(Actually, that would make more sense as a surrogate for America. At least Cesar Chavez was American and actually set foot on this continent.)
 
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Kandahar said:
First of all, YOU whine about America all the time. You whine about how our horrible democratic system allows the undeserving peons of America to steal your massive wealth out of "jealousy," being sure to remind us all every five minutes how rich you are.

Moving on...



OK. Do you think that we should have a holiday honoring Cesar Chavez, for example? If not, should I foam at the mouth and say that you actually hate America? :roll:

(Actually, that would make more sense as a surrogate for America. At least Cesar Chavez was American and actually set foot on this continent.)
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Your ranting about columbus is pathetic. Its hilarious you are fixated over a guy who died what 500 years ago or so. He has a holiday

deal with it. I just find it hilarious how libs feel so guilty about America being so great. self loathing seems to be a common disorder among your fellow travelers
 
Christopher Columbus is honored for his pioneering spirit in crossing uncharted oceans to see what he could see, not for his efforts in race relations. There were very few people in 1492 who would have held up to scrutiny based upon modern standards in that realm.

I'm sure that next you'll tell us that we shouldn't honor George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, because they both owned slaves. :roll:

So, some historical figures have warts. Shockers.
 
Ned Racine said:
What I mean is that YOU obviously have selective amnesia OR more likely that 1917 upheaval is so precious in your mind that you cover it with other presumably similar events. By your Avatar I think you may be a John Reed admirer or close to it.
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I don't know where you've taken such offense from my statement -- I was simply pointing out that your belief that the American War for Independence and the creation of the Israeli state are the only two successful revolutions in history is about as dumb as believing the sun orbits around the earth -- there are a hundred and one examples that prove you wrong, and no evidence to say you're right.

Are you so incensed upon seeing my avatar, supporting a political theory and a historical entity that you don't agree with, that you can not objectively think about history when speaking to me?
 
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bowerbird said:
Yep! Lets celebrate Captain Cook day instead

After all Cook discovered both Australia AND New Zealand whereas Columbus did not even really discover America.
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Abel Tasman discovered New Zealand ove a hundred years before Cook sailed there... and Australia too.



...that is, if you don't count the Aborigines or the Maori ;)
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Christopher Columbus is honored for his pioneering spirit in crossing uncharted oceans to see what he could see, not for his efforts in race relations. There were very few people in 1492 who would have held up to scrutiny based upon modern standards in that realm.

I'm sure that next you'll tell us that we shouldn't honor George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, because they both owned slaves. :roll:

So, some historical figures have warts. Shockers.
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Deserves another look... great post. :)
 
Bodhisattva said:
Abel Tasman discovered New Zealand ove a hundred years before Cook sailed there... and Australia too.



...that is, if you don't count the Aborigines or the Maori ;)
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Or the Indonesians that traded with the Aborigines in northern Australia.

But the problem with Mr. Tasman was that he found the west coast of Australia and Van Diemens land, and, to quote Adam Hills, said "Vell, zis iz ****.
 
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spud_meister said:
Or the Indonesians that traded with the Aborigines in northern Australia.

But the problem with Mr. Tasman was that he found the west coast of Australia and Van Diemens land, and, to quote Adam Hills, said "Vell, zis iz ****.
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Yep! And he is famous for saying that and then buggering off back to Europe

But in all honesty Cook is far more deserving of international recognition than Columbus ever was
 
bowerbird said:
Yep! And he is famous for saying that and then buggering off back to Europe

But in all honesty Cook is far more deserving of international recognition than Columbus ever was
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Yeah, rather than just going to one place like Columbus, he went everywhere.

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But the best bit is he lived up to his last name. :lol:
 
bowerbird said:
Yep! And he is famous for saying that and then buggering off back to Europe

But in all honesty Cook is far more deserving of international recognition than Columbus ever was
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I agree, I just had to point out the historical facts...
 
spud_meister said:
Yeah, rather than just going to one place like Columbus, he went everywhere.

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But the best bit is he lived up to his last name. :lol:
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Not sure that they ate him... just bashed in the head and left to die.
 
bowerbird said:
Yep! And he is famous for saying that and then buggering off back to Europe

But in all honesty Cook is far more deserving of international recognition than Columbus ever was
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But he gets honored all the time

after all my wife went to a "cooking" school and is now a "cook":mrgreen:
 
mike2810 said:
Good point. To take it a bit further, how many really understand memorial day, labor day, veterns day or for that matter any federal holiday? IMO, it as you said it has become a "day off".
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Too true. I would prefer people actually knew what and why they are celebrating.
 
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