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Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

Does communism cause most of the population to live in poverty?


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Look in the mirror. I think you will find the person you are speaking of. Here is a little help on the subject. Tell me what do you think of the third aspect of Marxism, Advocacy of proletarian revolution? Namely the expropriation of private property? " Another one that doesn't know what marxism is." Indeed.. How cute...

For the uninformed, like me and others, could you make comparison list between Marxism and capitalism?

ricksfolly
 
For the uninformed, like me and others, could you make comparison list between Marxism and capitalism?

ricksfolly

Ah, I don't think anyone could make that comparison because we haven't evolved yet enough to embrace the superior Marxian system.
 
Ricksfolly,

For the uninformed, like me and others, could you make comparison list between Marxism and capitalism?

Gladly ,although this is a simple comparative analysis. I no doubt may miss points on both sides so feel free to supplement this with your own research. This is also a very extensive topic so I will stick with one subject at a time.

Marxism
State/Commune ownership and Control of Capital

Capitalism
Individual ownership and Control of Capital

In the Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx stressed the importance of the total abolition of privet property and that the means of production should be owned by the state. He thought that the Proletarians would lose their own class power once they take it away from the bourgeoisie there by making the society as a completely classless.

From the Communist Manifesto:

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.
 
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Ah, I don't think anyone could make that comparison because we haven't evolved yet enough to embrace the superior Marxian system.

You have an estimate on that evolution?
 
Look in the mirror. I think you will find the person you are speaking of. Here is a little help on the subject. Tell me what do you think of the third aspect of Marxism, Advocacy of proletarian revolution? Namely the expropriation of private property? " Another one that doesn't know what marxism is." Indeed.. How cute...

Weirdness... were Russia and China industrialized countries. Cause last I remember, you cant have a proletarian revolution where there is none. :roll:
 
Ah, I don't think anyone could make that comparison because we haven't evolved yet enough to embrace the superior Marxian system.

Our last evolvement era was probably around 1800 BC when the plow was invented. Not much change after that. Our behavior is the same, and the vast majority still believe in gods, miracles, and ghosts.

ricksfolly
 
Our last evolvement era was probably around 1800 BC when the plow was invented. Not much change after that. Our behavior is the same, and the vast majority still believe in gods, miracles, and ghosts.

ricksfolly

Is Marxism human?
 
What? Russia's population was only a fraction proletariat.

One doesn't judge states on whether they are industrialized or not, or whether they are capitalist or not, based on the number of citizens who are workers/peasants. Social relations and the dominant mode of production isn't determined by a poll.

The fact is that Russia was one of the largest producers at the turn of the century. In fact, Lenin wrote an entire book on how Russia was capitalist to combat the Narodnik notion that Russia could "skip" capitalism.
 
Russia was a major industrial power of europe and one of the fastest growing before the revolution. However I was under the impression that marxism required a significant proletarian class whereas russians were mostly peasantry. Russia was approaching the coal production of western european nations but this is still only a fraction in a population of hundreds of millions. You seem to know more on this, however, and I guess I'll look into Lenin's work if/when I have time.
 
Russia did have a significant proletarian class. The fact that they were successful in implementing a proletarian revolution proves this.

I wouldn't recommend reading Lenin's book though as it is incredibly dense. I would recommend either Lenin's earlier works on this subject that are shorter or Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution, which was used as the go-to text on the history of the revolution up until Stalinism and bureaucratism won out.
 
Russia did have a significant proletarian class. The fact that they were successful in implementing a proletarian revolution proves this.

What about the fact that Russia's army was severely devestated during WWI?
 
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