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Would you go to a restaurant that banned crying and screaming children?

Would you go to a restaurant that banned crying and screaming children?


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but, again, I realize I'm in public and realize that my rights end where someone else's begin.*

Particularly the property rights of the business owner at which you are attending. So if said business owner does not wish to have screaming kids in his business he should be more than free to make that call. Afterall, it's his property, you have no right to dictate the rules upon it.
 
You have no argument. I should be able to sit in my privately owned car and not smell the cigarette smoke of the driver next to me. That has no bearing on that person's legal rights.
Learn to read. I said what I thought their rights should be, not what their rights are.
 
Learn to read. I said what I thought their rights should be, not what their rights are.

...and I said what I thought my rights should be in my analogy. Clearly I'm not the one lacking reading comprehension.
 
...and I said what I thought my rights should be in my analogy. Clearly I'm not the one lacking reading comprehension.
... and your posting of what the law is does nothing to wipe away my opinion of what the law should be.

You're right, it's not a reading issue. Must be something cognitive. At any rate, I've wasted enough time on explaining to you what most reasonable people could easily understand.

Carry on.
 
... and your posting of what the law is does nothing to wipe away my opinion of what the law should be.

Carry on.

Your opinion on what the law should be has no bearing on this topic and that's not what I'm addressing. You can't confront fact with personal opinion. Good try though.
 
We all agree the restaurant has the right to do it, but we can still comment on the motivations behind it.

I think people need to be more tolerant of each other. I've been in situations with screaming children and yes it's taxing on the nerves, but children are part of our society and our communities. Shutting them out just because they are children does not make sense to me.

This restaurant's policy would make more sense if it targeted bad parenting, i.e. if a child is screaming and misbehaving, and the parent is doing nothing about it, then they should be asked to leave. I can only think of a handful of instances where I've been in populated, closed space (like a bus, restaurant, etc.) where a child was going crazy and the parent did nothing. MOST parents get stressed out by the idea that their child is annoying others and they want to put a stop to it right away.

Target the bad parents, not all children. Anyway, from the looks of that diner, they don't exactly have the look and level of service that would demand more etiquette. They're a BBQ house and the owner is a little hoity toity.

the owner of a diner certainly should have the right to ban children or howler monkey-emulating children. its no different than some places banning bare chests, wigger dress or wifebeater t-shirts.
 
Can we get an airline that does this as well?

Of course not... and with all of the anti-Children remarks in this thread I have seen in the first page, I am truly disappointed with our human species in the 21st century... thank goodness I live in a country where people realize that kids will be kids and that active kids are NOT a result of bad parenting...
 
I bring my girls out to eat from time to time... usually to TGIFriday's, which they love. That is a very family friendly place. Occasionally, children act up, but it has never really bothered me. Besides, the place has enough noise from music, the ball games on, and other patrons that it is never an issue. My girls are generally well-behaved but when we go out, but they are children and do act up from time to time, but it rarely lasts for more than a few minutes...
 
Of course not... and with all of the anti-Children remarks in this thread I have seen in the first page, I am truly disappointed with our human species in the 21st century... thank goodness I live in a country where people realize that kids will be kids and that active kids are NOT a result of bad parenting...

It's not anti-children to expect that parents should train their children to not be a disruption in public. Good grief. :roll:

Active kids, at a meal in a restaurant, ARE a result of failure to properly train your children. Children running around and misbehaving in a restaurant is rude and disruptive to other patrons, dangerous to the servers who are trying to do their jobs, and dangerous to the children themselves. A restaurant is not a playground. There is a time and a place for kids to be active, but during meals is not one of those places.

CHildren need to learn that there is a time/place for everything. Mealtimes means we sit down at the table, stay in our chairs, eat our food, use indoor voices, and we don't get up until the meal is over. IF you don't train your children to use good manners when they are little, it gets harder as they get older.

My kids are well-behaved, and as a result, we've been all over the U.S., to some very nice restaurants. They have been able to enjoy some very fine meals as a result of learning mealtime/restaurant rules when they were small.

If your children are up and running around during meals, or screaming at the table, I guarantee that the other patrons consider you rude and inconsiderate as a parent, whether they are too polite to say anything or not.
 
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We can look at it this way:

If an adult or a teenage did *the same thing* would would be the course of action?
Likely a call to the police would be generally accepted.

So - children are being granted a pass because of their youth. . . so it's still fair :shrug:
 
On the one hand, little ones scream and holler. It's natural. When all you can do to express displeasure is to holler on account of the fact that you haven't figured out speaking yet, then it's all you do do.

On the other hand, if you as a parent can't be bothered to give enough of a **** about your fellow man to remove your screaming child(ren), you're not a parent. Dot.

There are plenty of times that I didn't take the wife and kids out because one or both of us didn't have the energy to deal with potential temper tantrums or keeping them under control.
 
Your opinion on what the law should be has no bearing on this topic and that's not what I'm addressing. You can't confront fact with personal opinion. Good try though.
Mmm-hmm. That's special. Thank you so much for your valuable contribution.

:sarcasticclap
 
I bring my girls out to eat from time to time... usually to TGIFriday's, which they love. That is a very family friendly place. Occasionally, children act up, but it has never really bothered me. Besides, the place has enough noise from music, the ball games on, and other patrons that it is never an issue. My girls are generally well-behaved but when we go out, but they are children and do act up from time to time, but it rarely lasts for more than a few minutes...
I think it is venue specific and age specific. Probably at a TGIFriday's most patrons understand the environment and should reasonably expect kids to be running around. However, at Chez Paul, that's not the expectation.
 
Nothing gives anyone the right to dictate my child's behavior in a public place. End of story.

This is true. But it's hardly the end of the story. If you're sitting behind me on a long flight, and your child is kicking, hitting, or whatever, on the back of my seat, I'm going to stand up, turn around and tell your child to stop hitting the back of my seat. You can then do whatever you want because I've already made up my mind to kill you.
I had to do this on an 8 hour flight back from Maui. The Dad was easily twice my size. He could see it in my eyes. He started to say something, then told his son to sit still.
 
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I had to do this on an 8 hour flight back from Maui. The Dad was easily twice my size. He could see it in my eyes. He started to say something, then told his son to sit still.

I'd probably end up killing the child, the parent or myself if I had to go through that.

Probably why I refuse to go on many planes. If only there was a 'no children allowed airline'. I'd be the first one at their desk booking flights.
 
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Of course not... and with all of the anti-Children remarks in this thread I have seen in the first page, I am truly disappointed with our human species in the 21st century...

Nothing anti children in expecting parents to control their children.
If you can't control your kid, perhaps one should never have been a parent at all or at least have the common decency to take their child outside to not ruin the evening for everyone else.

I can't stand those parents who look the other way and go into denial phase when their brat is kicking up a fuss. Wish all restaurants in London banned screaming children :(
 
years ago I spent alot of time at a certain chain restaurant because the girl I was dating worked there. One day two rather large women came in with a 6-7 year old kid during a sunday afternoon. The place was not all that crowded but the bengals were playing and the bar was packed. I was waiting for my girlfriend to get off her shift and it was about 3. SO these two women sit down and start yaking avoiding the kid. The kid constantly tried to get her mother's attention to know avail, these two morons (I had the misfortune of being in the same station as them since that is where my GF was working) were blathering on about some soap opera. So this kid starts running around the entire establishment screaming and yelling. My GF tried to tell the creature that birthed this terror to do something and the mother gave her the "talk to the hand" treatment. The kid almost tripped three servers carrying food in a five minute period. A manager told the fat blob to control the kid as well-no luck. well finally this cretinous offspring tried to do some gymnastics move on a brass railing separating the raised bar from the floor and slipped hitting the floor hard. The patrons and the staff who saw this started APPLAUDING! as this kid -who wasn't hurt-just stunned-started howling like a castrated hyena. the mother finally paid attention and yelled at the kid STFU I'm TRYING TO TALK

some people really shouldn't breed and If I'd been the manager I'd thrown them out in a New York second
 
The only times Ive thrown out someone because of their kids is because their kids were wrecking my displays and running around and the parent flatout refused to do anything about it. My and my guys work our asses off to maintain a professional look for the store and I refuse to put up with some spoiled brat with hippie parents wrecking and destroying my hard work. The classic response from douchebag parents is that "Do you have children?" and I respond no but if my father saw me acting that way in public he wouldve beaten the living crap out of me.
 
The classic response from douchebag parents is that "Do you have children?" and I respond no but if my father saw me acting that way in public he wouldve beaten the living crap out of me.

I get that response all the time.
I don't need to have children to know that a kid is supposed to have their tush on the seats and not screaming and running up and down.

There was no need for a beating when it came to public and me acting up ... I would be given the look. And I knew what was coming if I continued.
 
Of course not... and with all of the anti-Children remarks in this thread I have seen in the first page, I am truly disappointed with our human species in the 21st century... thank goodness I live in a country where people realize that kids will be kids and that active kids are NOT a result of bad parenting...

Expecting kids to behave in public is anti-children? I'm not following. If people can't keep their little crotch critters in check keep them at home!
 
This is true. But it's hardly the end of the story. If you're sitting behind me on a long flight, and your child is kicking, hitting, or whatever, on the back of my seat, I'm going to stand up, turn around and tell your child to stop hitting the back of my seat. You can then do whatever you want because I've already made up my mind to kill you.
I had to do this on an 8 hour flight back from Maui. The Dad was easily twice my size. He could see it in my eyes. He started to say something, then told his son to sit still.

I would have told my kid (i don't have a son) to sit still, but if you had been rude to my kids in any way, I would have let you have it.

For the record, I have taken my kids on flights from Asia to the US East Coast with no problems whatsoever...
 
Yes, but there was a good point that I had not immediately considered, which I found odd because I have been heavily involved in the following community. The incident in question was also in problem because the children were autistic.

I was wondering if I was going to have to bring that issue to the table myself. Yes, autism. I was once a member at a forum who thought that EVERY child who was having issues was autistic or COULD be, and THEREFORE ... well, I'm sorry, but that's bull****. There is no way on God's green that every child who behaves badly at a restaurant or grocery store either might or does have The Diagnosis, and therefore we should just keep our feelings to ourselves and suffer in silence.
 
Or maybe, because they are used to dealing with a disabled child, they feel like they are entitled to be accommodated.

What the women at the forum I just alluded to said was they were trying to .... I know 'acclimate' is not the word, but basically train the child to have to get through it by whatever means necessary (rather like mainstreaming, I think).
 
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