Worst Genocidal Mass-Murderer In History

PeteEU said:

You should have put the Christian church on there... they killed far more people including genocidal campaigns against non believers.

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And the Islamic Caliphates as well as they killed far more people than even the Christian church in their genocidal campaigns against the non-believers the bulk of which were found in the Indian Subcontinent.

ludahai said:

Not going to get into this asinine argument with you and other anti-Christians like you again. You have the right to be wrong.

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Are you trying to say that this never happened?
The history books now say that these things did happen.
We, as humans must find the truth and face it.

spud_meister said:

it completely irrelevant to this thread though, if we were to use the logic you're using, the poll should be "which country is the worst murderer", if you want to point out a certain pope, or a priest, that'd be fine, but saying religion is responsible for the deaths is the same as saying Germany is responsible for deaths.

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Germany's hands are not free from Jewish blood....many know, but few cared. One of many human problems.

earthworm said:

Germany's hands are not free from Jewish blood....many know, but few cared. One of many human problems.

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ok, now go tell a German that it's their fault 6 million Jews were killed, and see the reaction you get. The German people's apathy was a direct result of Hitlers propaganda and villification of the Jews.

When your body count goes into the hundreds of thousands and millions, I don't really see the point of comparing you to other assholes who also have body counts in the hundreds of thousands or millions. If there is a Hell, you're still headed for it's hottest part when you die.

Le Marteau said:

Hey all,

I'm just starting out this Poll business, and it looks like some fun. So, I've decided to make a Poll, er, polling who DP thinks is the word mass-murderer in history (no, not like Sweeney Todd -- I'm talking Genghis Khan, etc.).

If I can get this polling mechanism to work correctly, there ought to be ten options...

Please post who you voted for and why, if at all possible.

Cheers!

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Pretty much every commie leader. I voted for Stalin, but Mao is right up there. He killed off a lot of people, particularly anyone who dissented against the government. Pol Pot did a good job too. He didn't have the pure numbers that Stalin or Mao were able to get, but percentage wise of his own people....he got a good number.

Johnny said:

I don't know if it's the worst but the Holocost is definitely up there I'd think. 6 million plus Jews killed and another 7 million people (gays, Russians, Poles and others).

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So you are saying the 13,000,000 people were exterminated during the Holocaust? Are you sure of that number?

American said:

So you are saying the 13,000,000 people were exterminated during the Holocaust? Are you sure of that number?

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No one can ever be sure exactly how many people died, I mean deaths in total during world war 2 are still sketchy at best.

World War II casualty statistics vary greatly. Estimates of total dead range from 50 million to over 70 million.36 The sources cited on this page document an estimated death toll in World War II of 62 to 78 million, making it the deadliest war ever. When scholarly sources differ on the number of deaths in a country, a range of war losses is given, in order to inform readers that the death toll is disputed. Civilians killed totaled from 40 to 52 million, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: from 22 to 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 5 million prisoners of war.

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Given that not only jews were targeted for extermination, I'd say Johnny's figure could well be correct, if not more. We'll never know how many people truly died.

Jetboogieman said:

No one can ever be sure exactly how many people died, I mean deaths in total during world war 2 are still sketchy at best.



Given that not only jews were targeted for extermination, I'd say Johnny's figure could well be correct, if not more. We'll never know how many people truly died.

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Maybe you should consider the logistics involved in carrying out such a campaign, even without a full scale world war going on; using 1940's technology. It's just like the bombing of dresden numbers have come down over the years.

Genocides in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DrunkenAsparagus said:

When your body count goes into the hundreds of thousands and millions, I don't really see the point of comparing you to other assholes who also have body counts in the hundreds of thousands or millions.

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What's the point of playing if you're not keeping score?

Hey all, decided to step in and correct a few misconceptions...

Firstly, there's this annoying piece of propaganda that is somehow still circulating and thriving in America -- Stalin, while an absolutely horrible, murdering bastard, and a stain upon the name of the USSR, did not murder "20 million people+". The number just grows and grows, and it's ridiculous to watch it -- at first the Americans said he murdered five million people, and then ten. Then fifteen, then, no surprise, twenty. Soon enough it was forty, and I've even heard people claiming Stalin somehow murdered hundreds of millions of people, leaving me to wonder how exactly the people that believe that account for the fact that there are still Russians alive today.

Anyway, all I'm saying is, Stalin DID commit genocide, and it would be wrong to play down that fact. But it would be equally wrong to grossly inflate the numbers for the sake of propaganda -- Stalin's Purges and the Holodomor could simply not have accounted for more than seven million deaths in total, and numbers in great excess of that are rank McCarthyist propaganda.

On that note, to the man who said Karl Marx ought to be on the list -- that's a daft idea. Americans have another annoying tendency to see the word "communist" and equate it with "baby-murdering child-raping demon-spawn", which is, needless to say, no more true than equating all capitalists with "non-white-baby-murdering child-raping demon-spawn" -- so do try to keep political biases to an intelligible level, thanks.

Agent Ferris said:

And the Islamic Caliphates as well as they killed far more people than even the Christian church in their genocidal campaigns against the non-believers the bulk of which were found in the Indian Subcontinent.

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Not really... most Islamic Caliphates were tolerant of other religions. Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived at peace in the Islamic world for centuries for the most part. It was in fact the Christian world that was the murdering bastards when it came to other religions and even other Christian sects.. the UK went through centuries of Catholic vs Protestant wars as did much of Europe.

spud_meister said:

Hitler was the boss of the third reich, the blame is his, like i said, you can't blame the church as a whole, put the blame on the pope who told 'em to go the Americas, or the nobles that sponsored the expedition, the church of itself isn't any more responsible than the German state is for Hitler.

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And the Pope is/was the boss of the Catholic Church. So pretty much every Pope from the start of the Church to after WW2 should be on the list. Not to mention their proxies in the Spanish and Portuguese mains and so on and so on.

For one.. Nero, while an idiot, hardly deserves to be in the same list as Hitler.. Nero burned down Rome, and not much else of consequence.

I would like to point out that the word "genocide" has a meaning, people. It's the systematic extermination of a people group (i.e. Hitler), not just another word for "mass murder" (i.e. Stalin).

Korimyr the Rat said:

What's the point of playing if you're not keeping score?

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At a certain point they're going to the Hall of Fame, and the point of keeping score goes out the window. They're all "winners" as far as I'm concerned.

Ikari said:

Pretty much every commie leader. I voted for Stalin, but Mao is right up there. He killed off a lot of people, particularly anyone who dissented against the government. Pol Pot did a good job too. He didn't have the pure numbers that Stalin or Mao were able to get, but percentage wise of his own people....he got a good number.

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Are you a child?
Not that there is anything wrong/right with that..

Korimyr the Rat said:

What's the point of playing if you're not keeping score?

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To have fun, to laugh and be silly.
I am beginning to thing that todays youth are overly serious, do not enjoy life...
this is not good.

the decimation of Indians in the Americas back in the middle ages was pretty bad, It wasn't all intentional but still 25 million down to 1 million in a century is pretty bad.

BCR said:

the decimation of Indians in the Americas back in the middle ages was pretty bad, It wasn't all intentional but still 25 million down to 1 million in a century is pretty bad.

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Hmm, another catagory, deaths per day/week/year/whatever?

PeteEU said:

Not really... most Islamic Caliphates were tolerant of other religions. Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived at peace in the Islamic world for centuries for the most part. It was in fact the Christian world that was the murdering bastards when it came to other religions and even other Christian sects.. the UK went through centuries of Catholic vs Protestant wars as did much of Europe.

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Its good that these things are discussed, in my day the term "murdering christian bastards".. would never be used...
Today, both the christians and the muslims must be tolerant..

BCR said:

the decimation of Indians in the Americas back in the middle ages was pretty bad, It wasn't all intentional but still 25 million down to 1 million in a century is pretty bad.

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Yes, it's one of the largest exterminations of a people in history -- it's a damn shame that its 'thunder', if you will, is stolen by more recent atrocities.

Still, two of the ten men on the list (Hernan Cortes and Andrew Jackson) were perpetrators of the genocide of that same ethnic group, so I should think it's not under-represented.

I think people are hesitating to vote for Andrew Jackson, to be honest, just due to the fact that Americans hate admitting that they've committed genocides like the rest of us.

It really depends on how you count it. If you go by an absolute number, it's most likely Stalin. However, if you compare the number of people each of these people killed to the population of the earth at the time, I would argue that Genghis Khan would beat them all by far.

PeteEU said:

Not really... most Islamic Caliphates were tolerant of other religions. Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived at peace in the Islamic world for centuries for the most part. It was in fact the Christian world that was the murdering bastards when it came to other religions and even other Christian sects.. the UK went through centuries of Catholic vs Protestant wars as did much of Europe.

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And you clearly have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, you have lost any and all credibility, first of all the Muslims went to war with eachother since the begining of their religion (Shia-Sunni split) they were not tolerant of other religions whatsoever in fact Mohammad himself conducted ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Jewish Banu tribes of the Arabian Peninsula , the conducted the single largest intentional genocide until Hitler and Stalin which they perpetrated against the Hindu and Buddhists of the Indian Subcontinent. This "tolerance" of other religions only applied to the monotheistic religions of Christianity and Judaism, and this tolerance came in the form of centuries of conquest pogroms, ethnic cleansing, forced conversions, etc and if they managed to make it through all that they were allowed to live as third class dhimmi's.

Seriously spare me your apologetic west = bad, east = good BS, organized religion = bad, and Islam = even worse than Christianity.

Le Marteau said:

I think people are hesitating to vote for Andrew Jackson, to be honest, just due to the fact that Americans hate admitting that they've committed genocides like the rest of us.

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Hell, where do you think Hitler got the idea for the concentration camps? We're just pissed that the Germans stole our idea... and were better at it.

Stalin in terms of numbers

but Hitler started a war that killed even more than Stalin

THe "Christian Kings" of Europe launched the crusades. The crusaders brought to europe the black plague

Shaka Zulu displaced a fourth of the sub saharan african population

I voted for Stalin though. His early support of Hitler sealed it for me combined with the millions he killed in the USSR

if you want to pick someone whose Ideas caused the most death its clearly Karl Marx but Jesus might be seen as a close second even though his teachings had nothing to do with the disgusting genocides carried out in His name