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Dr. Laura Claims She Lost Her First Amendment Rights, Is she correct?

Do you agree with Dr. Laura that she lost her First Amendment rights?


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I made an attack on her failure to exercise personal responsibility after using poor judgement. But, nice try.

Oh so now you're back pedalling and making out like you didn't say EXACTLY what you said above.

I understand completely why you would attempt that.
 
Again, how the hell did Sarah Palin become relevant to this thread? Also, her claims about the first amendment are most likely in the same, informal vein as Dr Laura's.

It's a ****ing tweet, not an article for the Harvard Law Review.

Formally or informally, the first amendment refers to government actions. This has exactly nothing to do with the first amendment.
 
Again, how the hell did Sarah Palin become relevant to this thread? Also, her claims about the first amendment are most likely in the same, informal vein as Dr Laura's.

It's a ****ing tweet, not an article for the Harvard Law Review.

As a sidenote, I ****ing hate it when people use textspeak, it is completely moronic.
 
Everyone who listens to Dr Laura knows exactly what they are in for when they listen to her. Anyone who calls in knows exactly what may happen if they call in to her show. There is zero excuse for getting butthurt over anything when it comes to listening or interacting with her media persona because it's precisely why people listen and call in.

I, for the record, can't stand her. But I'm also not gonna complain that she's a bitch when she acted like a bitch. You don't play with a scorpion and then wonder why it stung you.

When I heard the actual recording, I actually thought to myself "What the **** did this dumb broad expect Dr. Furburger to say, anyway?"
 
Formally or informally, the first amendment refers to government actions. This has exactly nothing to do with the first amendment.

Well you go and tell that to the vast majority of the nation who use the term as a catch all for their right to speak freely. :shrug:
 
Oh so now you're back pedalling and making out like you didn't say EXACTLY what you said above.

I understand completely why you would attempt that.

Actually, no, I'm not. She exercised poor judgement on air. When the **** flew, as a result, she claimed that her first amendment rights were violated. That isn't taking ownership of one's personal choices.

She acted like a moron and got burned. Welcome to the world of corporate broadcasting. Actions have consequences. :shrug:
 
I am in agreement with her loose analysis. The constant shift toward PC-ness in society is just as much a threat to our freedom of speech as the government could be. If she were writing a scholarly paper for a law journal, I would take exception to her use of the term First Amendment Rights. However, in common language, First Amendment Rights is a perfect catch all to relate, succinctly, how she feels a violation against her right to speak freely.

As RightinNYC said...I am pretty sure most intelligent people understood she didnt mean it literally.

I would agree with you if it was the government. It wasn't it was her sponsors that disagreed with what she was saying so they dropped her. If she had said it once or twice then I would have her back in saying that it is kind of silly. But to me saying it eleven times in five minutes, even if trying to make a point, is a bit excessive.
 
Actually, no, I'm not. She exercised poor judgement on air. When the **** flew, as a result, she claimed that her first amendment rights were violated. That isn't taking ownership of one's personal choices.

She acted like a moron and got burned. Welcome to the world of corporate broadcasting. Actions have consequences. :shrug:

She was completely misrepresented by several influential spin organizations. Now she is suffering publically and financially. That's an attack on her right to speak freely, even if it didn't come from the government.

She owned it. She apologized. She also made certain to point out where the spin took place. That's also personal responsibility.
 
Well you go and tell that to the vast majority of the nation who use the term as a catch all for their right to speak freely. :shrug:

I have no cure for ignorance, but I can point it out.
 
I would agree with you if it was the government. It wasn't it was her sponsors that disagreed with what she was saying so they dropped her. If she had said it once or twice then I would have her back in saying that it is kind of silly. But to me saying it eleven times in five minutes, even if trying to make a point, is a bit excessive.

It's called hyperbole and it is a common literary and rhetorical device. I don't see where she did anything wrong.
 
That's an attack on her right to speak freely, even if it didn't come from the government.

You've created a right where none exists. The first amendment refers ONLY to government incursions on free speech. The simple fact of the matter is that free speech comes with ramifications, and always has. If you are doing it on the job (and she was), you may suffer financial setbacks as a result of poorly chosen words. Boo-de-****ing-hoo.
 
Just because you have the right to free speech doesn't mean you have the right to be free from criticism. And when you're the mouthpiece for a company, business or party... it is understandable that they wouldn't want you tarnishing their image.
 
You've created a right where none exists. The first amendment refers ONLY to government incursions on free speech. The simple fact of the matter is that free speech comes with ramifications, and always has. If you are doing it on the job (and she was), you may suffer financial setbacks as a result of poorly chosen words. Boo-de-****ing-hoo.

If the right to speak freely weren't considered pure and positive and an ownership of the citizen, then the government could simply use surrogate organizations to impose a repression of speech. I wonder if you would be so adamant that the right to speak freely isn't pure if this were happening to someone you admired or agreed with.
 
Ignorance is denying that common language has influence or relevance.

Ignorance is more like denying that words have actual meanings, an d trying to excuse poor statements.
 
Everyone who listens to Dr Laura knows exactly what they are in for when they listen to her. Anyone who calls in knows exactly what may happen if they call in to her show. There is zero excuse for getting butthurt over anything when it comes to listening or interacting with her media persona because it's precisely why people listen and call in.

I, for the record, can't stand her. But I'm also not gonna complain that she's a bitch when she acted like a bitch. You don't play with a scorpion and then wonder why it stung you.

the woman who called in may have been naive, becasue she certainly seemed stunned when dr laura let that word fly. once, maybe, but not 11 times. it really sounded like dr laura's brain popped on that one, seriously. she sounded deranged.
 
If the right to speak freely weren't considered pure and positive and an ownership of the citizen, then the government could simply use surrogate organizations to impose a repression of speech. I wonder if you would be so adamant that the right to speak freely isn't pure if this were happening to someone you admired or agreed with.

I've pretty much always believed that companies have a right to fire an employee for publicly embarrassing them, so yeah. I would. :shrug:
 
Just because you have the right to free speech doesn't mean you have the right to be free from criticism. And when you're the mouthpiece for a company, business or party... it is understandable that they wouldn't want you tarnishing their image.

This I can agree with. And the issue is more complex than the simple act and reaction of her employer. It also comes on the heels of another organization, that calls itself a media watchdog, completely spinning the issue out of proportion.

Media Matters and others tried to turn a tongue in cheek hyperbole into a Michael Richards Nigger Rant.
 
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And by the way, Dr. Laura signoff is talk of the town - She owns her own show, so the only person that can fire her is her.

Can anyone else say "publicity stunt"?

This woman is BSC. Of all people, Howard Stern is right (something I thought I'd never say in my lifetime): "You'll see. This is all bull----".

The Catholic league lodging a complaint with Disney 15 yrs ago over a film showing 5 dysfunctional priests does not equal Conservative Christians boycott Disney, though boycotts were mentioned.
Christian Boycott.org does not equal lets put these guys out of business because they are telling lies about Christians in book they published etc.
Boycotts are pretty much the American way. But when you have MM with the power to get large advertizers to pull out in the hopes of silencing the right, that is infringing on free speech in my opinion.
These Christian groups aren't trying to silence anyone, they just want them held accountable for what they print of show in movies. Especially ones that target children.
I always thought boycotts worked something like this. Hey, Petland, I'm not going to spend money at your store until you stop selling puppies from puppy mills. I'm also going to get my friends together to do the same.
A boycott should not be Hey General Motors, I'm from Media Matters and Dr. Laura said the N word 11 times today. Oh, you'll pull your advertisements? Thanks.
 
The Catholic league lodging a complaint with Disney 15 yrs ago over a film showing 5 dysfunctional priests does not equal Conservative Christians boycott Disney, though boycotts were mentioned.
Christian Boycott.org does not equal lets put these guys out of business because they are telling lies about Christians in book they published etc.
Boycotts are pretty much the American way. But when you have MM with the power to get large advertizers to pull out in the hopes of silencing the right, that is infringing on free speech in my opinion.
These Christian groups aren't trying to silence anyone, they just want them held accountable for what they print of show in movies. Especially ones that target children.
I always thought boycotts worked something like this. Hey, Petland, I'm not going to spend money at your store until you stop selling puppies from puppy mills. I'm also going to get my friends together to do the same.
A boycott should not be Hey General Motors, I'm from Media Matters and Dr. Laura said the N word 11 times today. Oh, you'll pull your advertisements? Thanks.

ludicrious. gm doesn't give a crap about what dr laura SAYS, they care about the effect her words have on her viewership. and her audience will decline, so gm would pull sponsorship. are you saying media matters shouldn't REPORT this? did they report anything that was untrue? why do you insist on making this political, when it's clearly not?
 
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