Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuaryschools & daycares

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Aunt Spiker said:

Ahahaha - I wonder what % of Catholics have molested children VS what % of school teachers have molested children.

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“Sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests” | Wizbang
Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

11,000 cases of abuse by about 4,000 priests and deacons since 1950.

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Extrapolating data from the latter, she estimated roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a school employee from a single decade—1991-2000.


Teacher sex cases in U. S. public schools unreported, unpunished
An estimated 4 to 5 million U.S. public school students may be at risk or become victims of sexual assault by school employees and teachers. Even so, media outlets and public officials remain tight-lipped, cover-up allegations, and fight disclosure.
Since 2007, over 2,000 separate sexual abuse cases have been filed against U. S. public school employees.

Read more: Teacher sex cases in U. S. public schools unreported, unpunished

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X Factor said:

And people say there's no such thing as a stupid question.

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Mostly this poll question was made in response to the people going "I don't wants no damn dirty mosque near ground zero" and to illustrate how silly it is to blame a whole group of people for the actions of a few.

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jamesrage said:

Mostly this poll question was made in response to the people going "I don't wants no damn dirty mosque near ground zero" and to illustrate how silly it is to blame a whole group of people for the actions of a few.

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Sorry James. I didn't notice the OP was from over a year ago. I have to say though, I don't know that I believe the analogy to be all that accurate. I think this would be a little closer.

The controversy over Catholic crosses at Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1998

So, what do you think, should the Catholic church erect crosses at the sites of concentration camps? Do you really begrudge the people who oppose it?

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X Factor said:

I never understood this. Is the argument that "normal" men will turn to child molestation in absence of "normal" sex? I don't believe that.

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When you consider the fact that 50% have been arrested for pedophilia are married and only 4% of priests have molested children it makes that "If only they let catholic priest marry" argument look more idiotic.
Pedophilia - children, causes, DSM, functioning, therapy, adults, person, people

Five myths about the Catholic sexual abuse scandal

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Aunt Spiker said:

Yep - I agree.

That's just like saying "if all the women disappeared then all the men would become gay"

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Yeah, pedos are not just hard up guys. They're actually turned on by kids. They could probably have 12 women dancing naked around them and it wouldn't matter.

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X Factor said:

Sorry James. I didn't notice the OP was from over a year ago. I have to say though, I don't know that I believe the analogy to be all that accurate. I think this would be a little closer.

The controversy over Catholic crosses at Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1998

So, what do you think, should the Catholic church erect crosses at the sites of concentration camps?

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Catholics should be allowed to erect crosses if they want.

Do you really begrudge the people who oppose it?

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I think its in poor taste to try to deny people the right to honor their deceased. Jews were not the only ones killed or in concentration camps during WWII.

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NOBODY should ever be allowed to live with 10 miles of a public school. You can never be too safe, ya know. :roll:

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radcen said:

NOBODY should ever be allowed to live with 10 miles of a public school. You can never be too safe, ya know. :roll:

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Hey - I'm stayin!

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radcen said:

NOBODY should ever be allowed to live with 10 miles of a public school. You can never be too safe, ya know. :roll:

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Disagree. I live within 10 miles of several schools.

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jamesrage said:

Catholics should be allowed to erect crosses if they want.

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It's not the crosses I'm worried about their priests erecting.

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You know, the more I read the thread's subject line, the more irritated I become. I appreciate the satiric attempt (at least, I hope that's what the intent was, LOL), but I really can't get beyond the Should _____ be banned from _____ element.

With the exception of pedophiles, why should anybody be discussing whether x-group should be banned from x-place?

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nota bene said:

You know, the more I read the thread's subject line, the more irritated I become. I appreciate the satiric attempt (at least, I hope that's what the intent was, LOL), but I really can't get beyond the Should _____ be banned from _____ element.

With the exception of pedophiles, why should anybody be discussing whether x-group should be banned from x-place?

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That was the point of the thread actually. It came about when a lot of people wanted mosques banned from a certain radius around ground zero.

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Tucker Case said:

That was the point of the thread actually. It came about when a lot of people wanted mosques banned from a certain radius around ground zero.

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I know many cops and fireman that still do...

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lpast said:

I know many cops and fireman that still do...

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It's a shame when people you don't like have the same freedoms as you isn't it.

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lpast said:

I know many cops and fireman that still do...

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I wonder what Salman Hamdani would say.

Mohammad Salman Hamdani (December 28, 1977 – September 11, 2001) was a Muslim American who died at the World Trade Center in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Hamdani was born in Karachi, Pakistan and moved to America with his parents when he was only 13 months old. It was believed that on the morning of September 11, 2001, while on the way to work at Rockefeller University, Hamdani witnessed the smoke coming from the Twin Towers and hurried to the scene to aid victims, using his police and EMT identification to get a ride through the restricted traffic. He died in the World Trade Center and his remains were found in the rubble of the North Tower.

At first Hamdani was listed as missing and there were media reports that he was under investigation as being possibly involved in the attack. In October 2001 an unidentified body along with Hamdani's medical bag and identification were found at Ground Zero, the site of the destroyed World Trade Center. His body was not yet positively identified by DNA profiling. He was declared a hero by Congress that October, 45 days after the attacks. Specifically, he is mentioned in the USA PATRIOT Act, Title 1 in section 102 (titled "Sense of Congress condemning discrimination against Arab and Muslim Americans"), which states that:

Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.

Months later in March 2002, his remains were identified and shortly afterwards on April 5, 2002 at the Islamic Cultural Center of New York, he was memorialized as a hero by Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Kelly, Congressman Ackerman and 500 others. A memorial scholarship fund in his name, for outstanding Pakistani-American students, was created at Rockefeller University in 2002 by his mother Talat Hamdani. The 2002 film 11'9"01 September 11 has an 11 minute segment India that is a docu-drama based on Mohammed Salman Hamdani and his family.

On March 10, 2011, Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison, in his testimony before the House of Representatives’ Committee on Homeland Security for its hearing on “The Extent of Radicalization in the American Muslim Community and That Community’s Response”, cited Mr. Hamdani as being falsely accused of being involved in the WTC attacks only because he was a Muslim.

Mohammed Salman Hamdani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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spud_meister said:

It's a shame when people you don't like have the same freedoms as you isn't it.

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You should have been at ground zero and watched them pulling out all the bodies of people that were guilty of just going to work...but then to many with distorted thinking that wouldnt matter...and of course theres some that wont acknowledge that the site for the mosque was chosen specifically to rub salt in all the open wounds and to be a FU all to americans...but of course I understand there are some that are unable to voice those thoughts as it doesnt fit in with their agenda and they want to harp on religious freedom and use the catholic church as an example ...RELIGION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE

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lpast said:

I know many cops and fireman that still do...

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As do a significant number of Muslims.

Moderate Muslims oppose location of Cordoba Mosque

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X Factor said:

As do a significant number of Muslims.

Moderate Muslims oppose location of Cordoba Mosque

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Thats because moderate muslims fully realize that the mosque was put there ONLY as an affront to everyone that died on 911 and from the aftermath and as a FU to all of america...and had zero to do with religion or religious freedom that was used as whore for an excuse to put their monument there hailing the killers...

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spud_meister said:

It's a shame when people you don't like have the same freedoms as you isn't it.

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Actually, Spud, I was not around here when this debate was really raging. It was always my understanding that everyone believed the Imam (I forget his name) had every right to build his mosque, just the same way that pastor in Florida had the right to burn Qurans. The question had more to do with whether it was the right or sensitive thing to do.

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If they bought the land legally, who cares where they build their churches.

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lpast said:

Thats because moderate muslims fully realize that the mosque was put there ONLY as an affront to everyone that died on 911 and from the aftermath and as a FU to all of america...and had zero to do with religion or religious freedom that was used as whore for an excuse to put their monument there hailing the killers...

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One argument in favor of the mosque I remember was that, if it isn't built, it will cause resentment and possibly incite violence in the middle east against "Westerners". I always objected to the coercive nature of that argument.

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Cold Highway said:

If they bought the land legally, who cares where they build their churches.

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As long as it's done legally, who cares if people protest the building of the mosque? I don't think anyone is advocating that the force of the law be used to prevent the building of the mosque, but rather, the persuasion of public opinion.

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X Factor said:

As long as it's done legally, who cares if people protest the building of the mosque? I don't think anyone is advocating that the force of the law be used to prevent the building of the mosque, but rather, the persuasion of public opinion.

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NY Republican/Tea Party Gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino openly campaigned on the idea that he wanted to use Eminent Domain to stop the project

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Cold Highway said:

NY Republican/Tea Party Gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino openly campaigned on the idea that he wanted to use Eminent Domain to stop the project

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Ah, then I stand corrected. Sounds like a politician catering to public opinion polls. I can say it's not my argument that the law be used to preclude the building of the mosque, but I neither am I incensed at people using free speech to make arguments against it (as well as for). Particularly since those who oppose it are just as diverse as those who don't.

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jamesrage said:

Should catholics be banned from building churches near elementuary schools & daycares?

After all a tiny percentage of catholic priests molested some kids. Letting them build near elementuary schools and day cares might be too much of a temptation and would be offensive to those who were abused by child molesters.

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This is obviously a joke.