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John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights Act

Do you agree with John Stossel?


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Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

I don't think it was racism, just prejudice and bigotry.
There's no point in making a stink about it though, I won't give them any of my money.

I'm free to choose.

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This guy says so and I like it.

Jesus Christ please don't tell me that's Milton Friedmen..that is another discussion completely.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

no, you can't force them to like each other, that's true. but you can force them to keep their personal prejudices out of business. at least, in theory.
You cannot force people to keep their personal prejudices out of business either. All you do is keep personal prejudices in business hidden. My point is these type of statues make the people children and the state the parents which is damaging to the people.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

taxes don't, the law does.
The statute is incorrect. The state has no authority in this matter. It’s our human right to freedom of association, the right to pick and choose who we interact with and do business with.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

The statute is incorrect. The state has no authority in this matter. It’s our human right to freedom of association, the right to pick and choose who we interact with and do business with.
Only in a libertarian paradise is that true. Here in America we opt for a civilized society.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

hey just to give you guys an update I will read your PMs I'm just currently a little drunk and don't feel like going through it right now....lol
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

Harry did you send me a PM? I'm about to start checking once I get undrunk...
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

Only in a libertarian paradise is that true. Here in America we opt for a civilized society.
In part I concur; America has opted for the society over the individual while America was founded the other way around. It’s not a paradise and we as individuals use our natural right (freedom of association) everyday. We use it when we do not allow a Jehovah’s Witness into our homes. We use it when we go out when there is less people around. We use it when we tell our friends that we do not want to go out that night. We use it when we pick a place to eat dinner at, etc.

It’s civilized to force people to interact? I find it more civil to allow people to make up their own minds about things. I call your civilized society, uncivilized and tyrannical.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

I'll tell you what, I want you and all the other libertarians on this thread to PM me "your" thoughts on a few topics:
-The gold standard
-federal reserve
-FDR
-social security
-war on drugs
-department of education
-department of agriculture
-any other department you may have an opinion on
-abortion
-immigration
-healthcare
-foreign policy
-war and military
-civil rights

and lastly why you voted for Ron Paul
Do your own research, Scoop Jackson. I'm not in the mood to teach Politics 101 at the moment.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

Me and some buds went to eat at the Varsity in Atlanta late one night, it was closed so we went across the street to another restaurant.
They wouldn't serve us and the customers present were hostile.

And, of course, you were asking yourselves if you wanted to food prepared in a restaurant whose employees have expressed personal dislike for you.

Remember, Jesse Race Baiter Jackson admitted that he would spit in the salads of white folks when he worked in a restaurant in Chicago.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

And, of course, you were asking yourselves if you wanted to food prepared in a restaurant whose employees have expressed personal dislike for you.

Remember, Jesse Race Baiter Jackson admitted that he would spit in the salads of white folks when he worked in a restaurant in Chicago.

Actually, I was more worried about the other customers.

They were giving us the stink eye, worse than any other time in my life.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

Only in a libertarian paradise is that true. Here in America we opt for a civilized society.

A civilized society will respect the freedom of the individual to conduct business only with those people he wishes to do business with.

An uncivilized society will seek to control a man's business, and hence his life, and use force and threats of force to compel his conformance to someone else's vision.
 
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Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

They were giving us the stink eye, worse than any other time in my life.

Yeah, know what you mean. There's this music store on PCH in Long Beach, and I knew it was going to be uncomfortable when I went in, but that was the last place to look for those Step'in Fetch'it recordings I was seeking.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

In part I concur; America has opted for the society over the individual while America was founded the other way around. It’s not a paradise and we as individuals use our natural right (freedom of association) everyday. We use it when we do not allow a Jehovah’s Witness into our homes. We use it when we go out when there is less people around. We use it when we tell our friends that we do not want to go out that night. We use it when we pick a place to eat dinner at, etc.

It’s civilized to force people to interact? I find it more civil to allow people to make up their own minds about things. I call your civilized society, uncivilized and tyrannical.
You have the freedom to allow anyone into you domicile or associate with anyone you wish. However your freedoms must be balanced with the freedoms of other peoples. Once you offer goods, services and housing you must offer them to everybody without prejudice otherwise you restrict their freedom.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

You have the freedom to allow anyone into you domicile or associate with anyone you wish. However your freedoms must be balanced with the freedoms of other peoples. Once you offer goods, services and housing you must offer them to everybody without prejudice otherwise you restrict their freedom.

I don't have a right to be on anyone else's private property.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

I don't have a right to be on anyone else's private property.

You also don't have a right to contract with anyone who doesn't want to contract with you.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

You have the freedom to allow anyone into you domicile or associate with anyone you wish. However your freedoms must be balanced with the freedoms of other peoples. Once you offer goods, services and housing you must offer them to everybody without prejudice otherwise you restrict their freedom.
Why must freedoms be balanced?
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

You have the freedom to allow anyone into you domicile or associate with anyone you wish. However your freedoms must be balanced with the freedoms of other peoples. Once you offer goods, services and housing you must offer them to everybody without prejudice otherwise you restrict their freedom.

Wow.

Major leap in totally disconnected logic.

A man is free to associate with whoever he wants, unless he's in business, then he's forced to associate with anyone who feels like it.

If I own a house for rent, I either have the freedom to choose who I rent it to, using criteria of my own choosing, or I am a propertyless slave forced to operate the property at the whims of the owners.

Ain't no middle ground.

Free.

Not Free.

If a dress maker is selling wedding gowns, there's no reason she has to accept as a customer some obnoxious three hundred pound bride just because the broad walked into her shop and has green. The service the seamstress is providing is one of MUTUAL agreement and choice.

If someone dislikes another, the other isn't losing freedom when the first doesn't want to do business with them.

He has the freedom to find another purveyor.

Life is that simple. So put your machine guns down and stop trying to put slave chains on everyone.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

You have the freedom to allow anyone into you domicile or associate with anyone you wish. However your freedoms must be balanced with the freedoms of other peoples. Once you offer goods, services and housing you must offer them to everybody without prejudice otherwise you restrict their freedom.

If I decide I don't want to sell you a widget because you're black/latino/liberal/tall/smart/right-handed/mean/Irish, how has that "restricted your freedom"?

Freedom does not include the right to contract with anyone who you wish to contract with.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

You have the freedom to allow anyone into you domicile or associate with anyone you wish. However your freedoms must be balanced with the freedoms of other peoples. Once you offer goods, services and housing you must offer them to everybody without prejudice otherwise you restrict their freedom.

a freedom that requires someone else to act affirmatively is not a real freedom--it is an entitlement and not properly considered a right.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

If I decide I don't want to sell you a widget because you're black/latino/liberal/tall/smart/right-handed/mean/Irish, how has that "restricted your freedom"?

Freedom does not include the right to contract with anyone who you wish to contract with.

It's called discrimination, it's illegal, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

I agree with John.
He is a great Libertarian and very well read.
 
Re: John Stossel called for repeal of public accommodations section of Civil Rights A

It's called discrimination, it's illegal, and you should be ashamed of yourself.


Are you against all discrimination?
 
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