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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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RabidAlpaca said:
....Seriously...? You're comparing animal rape to consenting adults?

Don't you pretend to be a small government constitutionalist in most threads? Did you just decide to throw that to the wind when it comes to discriminating against homosexuals?



This is your rebuttal to Agent J? Pages and pages of blubbering nonsense? You can't find a way to string the words together explaining why you oppose equal rights?
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if that is the way you feel about it fine, i had explained myself much early in this thread, .......and that agent j does not had the facts all to himself, and no one else can, and if you did go back, you will see i did not say homosexuality was right or wrong.

i am very surprised at you, i hold you as someone on the forums, and read what you have to say, becuase i find you of an intelligent mind here., but it seems you have done so prejudging here of me, and thats .......sad
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
This is your rebuttal to Agent J? Pages and pages of blubbering nonsense? You can't find a way to string the words together explaining why you oppose equal rights?
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if that is the way you feel about it... fine. i had explained myself much early in this thread, .......and that agent j does not have the facts all to himself alone, no one else can have them, and if you did go back, you will see i did not say homosexuality was right or wrong.

i am very surprised at you, i hold you as someone high on the forums, and read what you have to say becuase i find you of an intelligent mind here....... but it seems you have done some prejudging here of me, and thats .......sad.

but i will not judge you about it ....and will continue to read your comments
 
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I have always thought all marriages should be civil unions or civil marriages. Personally do not care what you call it. It would be a union that could enjoy all the "perks" with health care, taxes, social security, estate...etc.

If someone wants to have a "religious marriage" fine. I have no problem with them denying anyone a marriage within their church. But discriminating should be the big ticket out of any tax exemptions that church may enjoy.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This is yet ANOTHER one of your "presentations" that has been completely debunked and you have been shown to not understand basic tenets of the issue... in this case, basic statistical analysis. Anyone who clicks one of your links can see how I systematically and completely took you apart. I do appreciate you linking to all of your failures. Shows character.
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False, and obviously so.

But that you need to keep telling yourself and others over and over and over again that you "debunked" everything I've presented, as if you don't want others to read the posts but just take your word for it, indicates to me that this is purely wishful thinking on your part.
 
ernst barkmann said:
if that is the way you feel about it... fine. i had explained myself much early in this thread, .......and that agent j does not have the facts all to himself alone[/B], no one else can have them, and if you did go back, you will see i did not say homosexuality was right or wrong.

i am very surprised at you, i hold you as someone high on the forums, and read what you have to say becuase i find you of an intelligent mind here....... but it seems you have done some prejudging here of me, and thats .......sad.

but i will not judge you about it ....and will continue to read your comments
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Well, considering you were arguing with Agent J, and I know exactly what Agent J's position is, it seemed pretty safe to assume that you oppose SSM in some way. Then, I scrolled backwards page after page after page after page of you posting absolutely no arguments, just lame quips.

And it is you that is disappointed in me?

Explain to me what your position is, please.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well, considering you were arguing with Agent J, and I know exactly what Agent J's position is, it seemed pretty safe to assume that you oppose SSM in some way. Then, I scrolled backwards page after page after page after page of you posting absolutely no arguments, just lame quips.

And it is you that is disappointed in me?

Explain to me what your position is, please.
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let me send you a message please.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) trust me every educated person knows this but i still like kicking dishonest posters when they are down
2.) you are correct
3.) you are correct again
4.) correct a 3rd time
5.) i dont entertain them, they entertain me :)
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The only one dishonest around here is you, OR you don't know what that word means.
 
AGENT J said:
Not only am I looking for your opinion im looking for your reasoning if your answer is yes.

I have discussed gay marriage many many times and have yet to hear ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage. Almost every reason I have ever heard was also used about women’s rights, equal rights, interracial marriage etc. the reason were dumb illogical then and the most certainly still are today, even more so since not only common sense and facts proves them wrong but history.

now mind you, pay attention to my verbiage, I said reason to STOP it.

That means in America I think its fine for anybody to:
THINK its wrong, gross or offensive etc
TEACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
PREACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
BELIEVE its wrong gross or offensive etc
FEEL its wrong gross or offensive etc
etc

and i also believe and support in your rights to do so but once you try to stop it I think you wrong on so many levels.
I can’t imagine how AMERICANS think they have the right to tell two CONSENTING ADULTS who and who they cant marry lmao

Does it get anymore pompous, arrogant, selfish, hypercritical and anti american than that. How anybody thinks they have the right to tell a consenting adult they cant marry another consenting adult is beyond me.
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Well, when people throw the Biblical God and his morality under the bus, then you can justify almost anything.

The fact is the Bible confirms gay sex is a sin. By extrapolation, then, gay marriage is simply institutionalized sin, and is an affront to God.

Second, the Bible is full of examples of when people and nations get too far out of line, then God's judgment falls. It fell on the Israelites, the Canaanites, the Babylonians, and even Sodom and Gomorrah - the latter because one of its many sins was sexual perversion (Jude 7).

As for 'consenting adults,' two adulterers are consenting adults, but that doesn't make what they're doing right.

So, you asked for a reason to stop gay marriage and I gave it - it's sinful and invites the wrath of God (not that many other things don't).

What's more, if enough people get born-again and founded in Biblical truths, they can even pass a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage.
 
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Logicman said:
What's more, if enough people get born-again and founded in Biblical truths, they can even pass a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage.
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i hope that never happens, to me it would be like the 18th amendment......where people believe their whims and desires can be met, by the institution of laws concerning the contracts between two people.

it has been the libertarian position that government be out of the business of marriage and sexuality all together, becuase it not a duty of government..if this position would come to past in america, the issue of gay marriage would go away and few people would care about it anymore.
 
ernst barkmann said:
if that is the way you feel about it... fine. i had explained myself much early in this thread, .......and that agent j does not have the facts all to himself alone[/B], no one else can have them, and if you did go back, you will see i did not say homosexuality was right or wrong.

i am very surprised at you, i hold you as someone high on the forums, and read what you have to say becuase i find you of an intelligent mind here....... but it seems you have done some prejudging here of me, and thats .......sad.

but i will not judge you about it ....and will continue to read your comments
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and that is wher you failed and everyone made fun ogf your posts

everybody is reading the thread and sees it, nobody ever claimed that only they have the facts ever and repeating this lie is what makes your deflections fail further.

and he can correct me if im wrong but id bet the farm RA doesnt care what you think of him
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well, considering you were arguing with Agent J, and I know exactly what Agent J's position is, it seemed pretty safe to assume that you oppose SSM in some way. Then, I scrolled backwards page after page after page after page of you posting absolutely no arguments, just lame quips.

And it is you that is disappointed in me?

Explain to me what your position is, please.
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his position is CC prevent fats and it destroyed his failed arguments, he denied CCs facts and posters pointed out his failed posts.
Then he deflected and back pedaled and said oh my stance is neutral and NOBODY bought it. He thought he was playing a game but got played instead.
 
AGENT J said:
his position is CC prevent fats and it destroyed his failed arguments, he denied CCs facts and posters pointed out his failed posts.
Then he deflected and back pedaled and said oh my stance is neutral and NOBODY bought it. He thought he was playing a game but got played instead.
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this of coarse in not correct, however all one has to do in go back and read the posts, ..its a long read i grant you, but its hows the truth.
 
Logicman said:
1.)Well, when people throw the Biblical God and his morality under the bus, then you can justify almost anything.
2.)The fact is the Bible confirms gay sex is a sin. By extrapolation, then, gay marriage is simply institutionalized sin, and is an affront to God.
3.) Second, the Bible is full of examples of when people and nations get too far out of line, then God's judgment falls. It fell on the Israelites, the Canaanites, the Babylonians, and even Sodom and Gomorrah - the latter because one of its many sins was sexual perversion (Jude 7).
4.)As for 'consenting adults,' two adulterers are consenting adults, but that doesn't make what they're doing right.
5.)So, you asked for a reason to stop gay marriage and I gave it - it's sinful and invites the wrath of God (not that many other things don't).
6.) What's more, if enough people get born-again and founded in Biblical truths, they can even pass a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage.
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1.) and the opposite is also true when people use religion they can find a way to condemn anythign. But that is pointless to this topic.
2.) you are free to have those opinion but again its meaningless to the topic at hand
3.) see #2
4.) also meaningless to the discussion
5, yes you gave one and it majorly fails because your subjective opinion of sinful is not how the country, laws, freedoms and rights work.
6.) LMAO id bet my life this never happens in this country

well let me know if you have anythign else since these failed
 
AGENT J said:
and that is wher you failed and everyone made fun ogf your posts

everybody is reading the thread and sees it, nobody ever claimed that only they have the facts ever and repeating this lie is what makes your deflections fail further.

and he can correct me if im wrong but id bet the farm RA doesnt care what you think of him
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really?...part of his reply......"And it is you that is disappointed in me?"..Explain to me what your position is, please.

see the question mark, he is asking me a question, so he is interested.

so your statement falls flat on its face.
 
ernst barkmann said:
this of coarse in not correct, however all one has to do in go back and read the posts, ..its a long read i grant you, but its hows the truth.
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its 100% correct has the people already laughing at your threads noticed
 
ernst barkmann said:
really?...part of his reply......"And it is you that is disappointed in me?"..Explain to me what your position is, please.

see the question mark, he is asking me a question, so he is interested.

so your statement falls flat on its face.
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who said he wasnt interested at all
its this stuff that alwasy cause you to fail, its the stuff you make up in your head that are lies and fantasy
i never said he cared about NOHTING

i said "d bet the farm RA doesnt care what you think of him"

so him mocking you for your failure means he cares what you think of him? nope
him wanting you to explain your failed positions means he cares what you think of him? nope

tell me that cool part about a statement falling on its face again? yep it was yours

pleae continue to make up more stuff though. please stick to what was actually said, it will help you not to fail so much
 
AGENT J said:
who said he wasnt interested at all
its this stuff that alwasy cause you to fail, its the stuff you make up in your head that are lies and fantasy
i never said he cared about NOHTING

i said "d bet the farm RA doesnt care what you think of him"

so him mocking you for your failure means he cares what you think of him? nope
him wanting you to explain your failed positions means he cares what you think of him? nope

tell me that cool part about a statement falling on its face again? yep it was yours

pleae continue to make up more stuff though. please stick to what was actually said, it will help you not to fail so much
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please!...stop with the non-sense agent j.......
 
ernst barkmann said:
please!...stop with the non-sense agent j.......
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translation: you clearly made another factual mistake and are making yet another deflection

unless of course you can quote me saying what you falsely claimed i did?

or simply show integrity admit you made a mistake and misspoke

pick one
 
AGENT J said:
translation: you clearly made another factual mistake and are making yet another deflection

unless of course you can quote me saying what you falsely claimed i did?

or simply show integrity admit you made a mistake and misspoke

pick one
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clearly! ......you are insecure......."breaking off communication in this thread with you"
 
ernst barkmann said:
you are one silly man....please restrain yourself...from making statements like this again, its embarrassing
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im sure people laughing at your posts and destroying them does embarrass you, thats not my concern though

the solution is simple though, in the future you can simply be honest and dont make stuff up and or admit factual mistakes. Let me know if you need more help.

good luck
 
ernst barkmann said:
clearly! ......you are insecure......."breaking off communication in this thread with you"
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translation: you choose to deflect when you have been proved factually wrong AGAIN

thats exactly what i thought you would do
 
AGENT J said:
1.) and the opposite is also true when people use religion they can find a way to condemn anythign. But that is pointless to this topic.
2.) you are free to have those opinion but again its meaningless to the topic at hand
3.) see #2
4.) also meaningless to the discussion
5, yes you gave one and it majorly fails because your subjective opinion of sinful is not how the country, laws, freedoms and rights work.
6.) LMAO id bet my life this never happens in this country

well let me know if you have anythign else since these failed
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Nice try. I looked back at the OP and saw where you wrote: "Also for some reference Ill try to list the general reasons people thought of that have been thoroughly debunked. - Religion/god/bible – Meaningless and debunked."

Very convenient. You claim God/religion/the Bible have been debunked. That's a blowhard myth right up there with Nietzsche's blathering that God is dead.

I think what's really happening is that you conveniently preempted the very arguments that you knew you couldn't win, and that bust your argument and position wide open. That God is alive and will Judge the people and nations that engage in institutionalized sexual immorality is the winning argument against gay marriage.

But that, of course, is my view on the subject!
 
Logicman said:
1.)Nice try. I looked back at the OP and saw where you wrote: "Also for some reference Ill try to list the general reasons people thought of that have been thoroughly debunked. - Religion/god/bible – Meaningless and debunked."
2.)Very convenient. You claim God/religion/the Bible have been debunked. That's a blowhard myth right up there with Nietzsche's blathering that God is dead.
3.) I think what's really happening is that you conveniently preempted the very arguments that you knew you couldn't win, and that bust your argument and position wide open.
4.) That God is alive and will Judge the people and nations that engage in institutionalized sexual immorality is the winning argument against gay marriage.

But that, of course, is my view on the subject!
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1.) nothing was "tried" please explain what fantasy you are making up in your head you are referring too
but oin i side not yes those reasons have been clealry and factually debunked when it comes to legally STOPPING it
2.) wow talk about posting lies, i never said the bible itself is debunked. please try to keep up.
i said they are no reasons to stop gays from having equal rights, your mistake
3.) 100% false, see above, you lose again. Also i myself am chrisitian. Please feel free to make more stuff up.
4.) nope, this is a failed argument because ameican is a free country and your subjective morals and opinions arent to be forced on others

so again i repeat
well let me know if you have anythign else since these failed
 
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