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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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"If it weren't for my horse, I would have never spent that year in college."
 
Red Crow said:
The reality is that the majority rules and when the majority votes and wins, then people will be able to merry their own kind in Calif. otherwise they have to wait, that's all I am saying.
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I know what you are saying and you are 100% wrong, you obviously dont understand how things work.

the courts do not need the majority of the people PERIOD, the courts can rule against them just like they already have before with the example I gave you. Lke I said go back and read it slower because obviously you dont get it.
 
Red Crow said:
Unfortunately.. wars are not won overnight my friend, unless we use atomic bombs.
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I was referring to how the majority doesn't always win. Because the majority is opposing the current war.
 
Red Crow said:
Laws are passed and approved because of the majority. This is a democracy and the majority wins. Don't worry.. if the majority says you can marry your boyfriend, you will.
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That's actually not true. The entire reason that freedoms like free speech and freedom of religion exist is to protect minorities from the majority. The majority often does not win, and especially at the cost of the rights of minorities.
 
Paschendale said:
That's actually not true. The entire reason that freedoms like free speech and freedom of religion exist is to protect minorities from the majority. The majority often does not win, and especially at the cost of the rights of minorities.
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The majority won in Calif. and gay marriage didn't pass. That is my point about the majority vote.
 
So long as the Marriage License exists, it is not right to block same sex marriage.
 
Red Crow said:
The majority won in Calif. and gay marriage didn't pass. That is my point about the majority vote.
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and I repeat that wont matter if the courts rule differently. Your point is meaningless.
 
Centrist77 said:
and I repeat that wont matter if the courts rule differently. Your point is meaningless.
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Why is it that gay marriage is not legal in Calif and can't get married there??
 
Red Crow said:
Why is it that gay marriage is not legal in Calif and can't get married there??
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WOW?
you do know the answer to that question has zero impact on what I said right? ZERO LMAO

What part are you having trouble with, Im curious?

one more time, try and understand. Try to understand and read it as many times as possible.

A law or bill could pass with a 100% vote BUT if the courts rule differently that law or bill is meaningless so there for majority wil NOT always win.

This is 100% fact and I have already given examples of it.
 
Red Crow said:
Why is it that gay marriage is not legal in Calif and can't get married there??
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Because a lot of people are ignorant and intolerant sheep. They just listen to whatever is spoonfed to them and in this day and age that is homophobia and islamophobia.
 
marduc said:
Then go to church, raise what you consider to be a traditional American family and pass your morals onto them (although when they grow up they will likely have their own that you may not entirely agree with)
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Thank you, I'll do exactly that. Additionally, I'll vote my conscience every election, too. My vote, my choice, right? You believe in "choice" don't you? Sure you do. So yes, I'll raise my children how I wish, I'll worship how I wish, I'll vote how I wish, I'll support my political leaders how I wish...absolutely :peace
 
WeAreReborn said:
Because a lot of people are ignorant and intolerant sheep. They just listen to whatever is spoonfed to them and in this day and age that is homophobia and islamophobia.
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unfortunatley this is true but im guessing in my life time this will change, at least on this issue
 
Red Crow said:
The majority won in Calif. and gay marriage didn't pass. That is my point about the majority vote.
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Have you ever heard of the tyranny of the majority? It's a situation the found fathers feared and that's one reason were are a republic and not a pure democracy. A majority of people should not be allowed to vote what a minority can or cannot do.
 
I guess I don't understand the outrage for a couple of reasons. One, the idea that gay marriage will destroy the institution of marriage seems disingenuous when one considers 50% of marriages - across all spectra of Americans - ends in divorce. The gay community had nothing to do with that, as far as I can tell. Secondly, from a religious standpoint, marriage is a sacrament, a sacred oath, before God and His people that has everything to do with religion and nothing to do with secular society. Third, where secular society is concerned (as in civil government), it is nothing more than a legal contract which can be forever dissolved with the stroke of a judge's pen. The marriage itself takes about 2 minutes at the county seat. It has nothing to do with anything "Holy." That is the Sacrament of Marriage's job, isn't it? That's the true declaration before God and The Church and the only one that really matters, right?

The real question to me, and one I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned (that I know of), is the question of straight folks who have chosen living together over traditional marriage. If one allows civil unions, what prevents your average straight couple living together from claiming access to civil unions? Then their unmarried partner has access to health care and legal decisions and property, etc. It becomes a mess. Better to leave the discussion about marriage, I think.

Just be done with it. Nobody will catch The Gay.

One more thing: Civil Rights questions should never, ever, ever be put on a ballot initiative. Think about it. How many votes would there have been for women's suffrage at the time?
 
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I think it's wrong to push for it ;) I have the right to believe, argue, and enact my opinion regarding gay marriage into law.
 
Jerry said:
Thank you, I'll do exactly that. Additionally, I'll vote my conscience every election, too. My vote, my choice, right? You believe in "choice" don't you? Sure you do. So yes, I'll raise my children how I wish, I'll worship how I wish, I'll vote how I wish, I'll support my political leaders how I wish...absolutely :peace
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All within your power. We have the courts to handle things which are unconstitutional.
 
digsbe said:
I think it's wrong to push for it ;) I have the right to believe, argue, and enact my opinion regarding gay marriage into law.
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correct you do have the right to think its wrong to push for it


correct you do have the right to believe, argue, and enact my opinion regarding gay marriage into law.

- but again theres no reasons that are sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american and non-discriminative.

Thats the discussion
 
Centrist77 said:
correct you do have the right to think its wrong to push for it


correct you do have the right to believe, argue, and enact my opinion regarding gay marriage into law.

- but again theres no reasons that are sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american and non-discriminative.

Thats the discussion
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I feel there are good reasons to oppose it. One is that it improperly defines marriage and warps the roles of the husband and wife relationship at a legal level. My religious convictions lead me to believe that it's wrong and detrimental to people. I feel it's illogical to redefine marriage to include a relationship that breaks the definition of husband and wife and is abnormal compared to a man and woman marriage.
 
digsbe said:
I feel there are good reasons to oppose it. One is that it improperly defines marriage and warps the roles of the husband and wife relationship at a legal level. My religious convictions lead me to believe that it's wrong and detrimental to people. I feel it's illogical to redefine marriage to include a relationship that breaks the definition of husband and wife and is abnormal compared to a man and woman marriage.
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Why are you so ****ing xenophobic?
 
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