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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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Jucon said:
I, like Jesus, believe in love, compassion and forgiveness. Where does the bible say "forgiveness of sins excludes homosexuality"?
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Homosexuality (like any sin) can be forgiven. All that is necessary is for those people to confess that it is a sin and forsake it. Of course it is necessary to be "BORN AGAIN".
 
gmeyers1944 said:
Homosexuality (like any sin) can be forgiven. All that is necessary is for those people to confess that it is a sin and forsake it. Of course it is necessary to be "BORN AGAIN".
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YAWN I do not worship your god and my god is legally equally to yours in this great nation.
 
Centrist77..

Don't you fancy yourself the smarty pants, eh? There is a legal argument to deny homosexual marriage has any challenge to the US Constituion, just like there is a legal argument that any identity based expression has the right to marry, as long as it does not infinge on anyone else's rights, and as long as there is no compelling state interest to limit it.

Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Centrist77..

Don't you fancy yourself the smarty pants, eh? There is a legal argument to deny homosexual marriage has any challenge to the US Constituion, just like there is a legal argument that any identity based expression has the right to marry, as long as it does not infinge on anyone else's rights, and as long as there is no compelling state interest to limit it.

Tim-
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I would like to hear it. Why doesn't the anti same sex marriage side ever share this mysterious argument?
 
CriticalThought said:
I would like to hear it. Why doesn't the anti same sex marriage side ever share this mysterious argument?
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Aw come on, CT, we had a thread on it not too long ago. Something like 1880 posts. I have the abridged version in the basement if you want to go look. :)

Tim-
 
chickie said:
God says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. He says marriage is between a man and a woman. It's Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve. If homosexuals want to spit in His face and get married, they will pay the consequences, not me. So I guess I really don't care what they do. I just don't support it.
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Has God changed his mind about wearing clothing made from two different types of fabric or is that still an abomination?
 
Hicup said:
Aw come on, CT, we had a thread on it not too long ago. Something like 1880 posts. I have the abridged version in the basement if you want to go look. :)

Tim-
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The only argument I saw the anti same sex marriage side put forth was "If ya let the gays have marriage, then you gotta let the polygamists have their marriages!" Not exactly a compelling or relevant argument.
 
Why doesn't the 'no' option ask for an explanation? You're letting your bias show in a poll!
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
Why doesn't the 'no' option ask for an explanation? You're letting your bias show in a poll!
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Either way, people are still explaining why it's not right to stop it. I think the reason Centrist asked to explain the yes responces is because there aren't many legitimate arguments against gay marriage. Most arguments against gay marriage are opinions, and opinions are no reason to create laws that discrimiate against homosexuals.

On another note...
Hey look at that! Another poll trolled. Good thing Centrist made the poll public.
 
Like I said before if they want to be miserable and only have sex like every few months then go ahead, let them in on the **** parade.
 
Jucon said:
I think the reason Centrist asked to explain the yes responces is because there aren't many legitimate arguments against gay marriage. Most arguments against gay marriage are opinions, and opinions are no reason to create laws that discrimiate against homosexuals.
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This sounds like conjecture and also like an opinion...
 
Centrist77 said:
more smugness only exposes you and will not make you right LMAO

the bold above is nothing more than your opinion, its already already been debunked and proved irreverent in the eyes of the law.
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You are calling him smug? Reread your original post. That's the charcoal calling the tea cup black. You arrogantly rattle off the opposing points to your view and then call them all 'meaningless' or 'ridiculous' or 'laughable' or 'debunked' and yet Ockham stating that marriage is between a man and a woman is 'smug'?
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
This sounds like conjecture and also like an opinion...
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Denying homosexuals something that straight people are allowed to have is discrimination. That is neither an opinion nor a conjecture... that is a fact.

Discrimination: is treatment or consideration based on the group, class, or category to which a person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.
 
Jucon said:
Denying homosexuals something that straight people are allowed to have is discrimination. That is neither an opinion nor a conjecture... that is a fact.

Discrimination: is treatment or consideration based on the group, class, or category to which a person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.
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Hey I agree, I want to let gays (sorry, homosexual is too big a word for my simple mind) marry. However,
I think the reason Centrist asked to explain the yes responces is because there aren't many legitimate arguments against gay marriage.
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Two opinions here:
1) Why you think centrist didn't ask for a know response.
2) There are no 'legitimate' arguments against it.
Most arguments against gay marriage are opinions, and opinions are no reason to create laws that discrimiate against homosexuals.
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Most arguments for gay marriage are also opinions. Nay, all arguments are opinions (although some may be based on facts).
 
Jucon said:
I, like Jesus, believe in love, compassion and forgiveness. Where does the bible say "forgiveness of sins excludes homosexuality"?
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Nowhere. If a homo repents and stops his chosen behavior, accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, establishes a personal relationship and does the whole born-again thing, he will be fine. If he keeps spitting in God's face, he won't.

independent_thinker2002 said:
Since you brought up Adam and Eve, how does God feel about incest?
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Hurt a child and you fry. -God

Korimyr the Rat said:
... I will notice that you do not hold the same disdain for people who violate Jewish dietary laws, though they are mentioned in the same passages.
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Dietary laws and sodomy are two very different things. God does not care what we eat. He cares that we obey Him and do His will.
 
As far as I can tell, there are only a few arguments against gay marriage.

Most of them boil down to "It's against god's will", or "It will destroy the moral fabric of our culture".

Or similar phrases.

For the first, such an argument is neither provable nor disprovable, as it’s based on belief in an entity whose existence can, in turn, neither be proved nor disproved.

For the second, it is my understanding that this, also, can neither be conclusively proved nor disproved.

Although I believe there is more evidence against it than for it, only with full allowance of gay marriage, and ensuing tragic destruction of the “moral fabric”, would it be proven.

Personally, I think the fabric will just stretch a bit more…its more rubber bands than fabric… :mrgreen:
 
If that does happen - yeah. Not all marriages are miserable and sexless. Not by a long shot.

JohnWOlin said:
Like I said before if they want to be miserable and only have sex like every few months then go ahead, let them in on the **** parade.
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chickie said:
No. I don't care about shellfish. I care about preserving the traditional American family, morals, ethics, honor, integrity, and the Word of God. I'm not bothering/picketing homosexuals, either.
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Ahhh yes...

... a "Cafeteria christian," only reads the parts of the book of fairy tales that match your prejudices and bigotry.

Tell me chickie..

Who would Jesus hate?
 
"If a homo"? .... wow.

Gee, I hope you'll swing by the religion and philosophy folder. I really really do.

chickie said:
Nowhere. If a homo repents and stops his chosen behavior, accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, establishes a personal relationship and does the whole born-again thing, he will be fine. If he keeps spitting in God's face, he won't.


Hurt a child and you fry. -God


Dietary laws and sodomy are two very different things. God does not care what we eat. He cares that we obey Him and do His will.
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chickie said:
Nowhere. If a homo repents and stops his chosen behavior, accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, establishes a personal relationship and does the whole born-again thing, he will be fine. If he keeps spitting in God's face, he won't.
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That's not spit.
 
I think my position on this issue is obvious because I have labeled myself a libertarian.
If the state wants to be involved then equality should be the rule but, of course I would want the state out of the marriage racket. The only involvement the state should have is to enforce contractual agreements. Marriage should be left to the private sector.
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
Why doesn't the 'no' option ask for an explanation? You're letting your bias show in a poll!
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Uhm . . . . . .
bias?
why would no need explained?
My op has how many reason to support NO? like 10 or so?
Then OBVIOUSLY i wouldnt need no explained since theres already 10 reasons, sorry this common sense escaped you
LOL @ bias
 
Hicup said:
Centrist77..

Don't you fancy yourself the smarty pants, eh? There is a legal argument to deny homosexual marriage has any challenge to the US Constituion, just like there is a legal argument that any identity based expression has the right to marry, as long as it does not infinge on anyone else's rights, and as long as there is no compelling state interest to limit it.

Tim-
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smarty pants? nope i just acknowledge the obvious, havent heard any legal reason yet, also i dont NOT want to challenge the constitution Im UP HOLDING IT ;)
 
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