Moore makes millions of dollars off his manipulations. Not dumb at all - in fact, very pertinent.It's dumb to criticize someone for manipulating information - especially on this board where EVERYONE of us manipulate information for our political purposes.
Quite true - they give him too much credit. He's the crusty skid mark... and not "the ****" people thought him to be.The idiotic thing is that people here are threatening violence over free speech and comparing him to brutal dictators who have killed millions of people.
Yeah and Paul Krugman must have killed at least a Billion in his extended stay.If douchebaggery over politics is the same as murder, then every tear Glenn Beck sheds kills at least 20,000,000 people.
Oh come now... is a target used for the express purpose of using one's 2nd amendment rights now a "threat"? I mean, he makes a helluva target paper given his bloated size.You decide especially the next time you post images about shooting people or want to drown someone in a pool of crocodiles.
Well good for you! I hope I pushed you over to vote positive. It can't look like everyone hates the man... Go out and rent all his movies this week and give him a few sheckles in royalty's too. Hope I helped! :wave:And by the way, I hadn't voted until now. And I went positive (I would have chosen neutral) because I hold him in much higher esteem now compared the people on this board who threaten to kill those they disagree with.
Prove to me where Moore supports totalitarianism. You assert it without actual evidence and instead with a leap of logic that doesn't pass muster. That technique is very similar to right-wing goofball websites. Thus the accusation that you are quoting them.
You base your assertion without providing a fact behind it. He supports socialism, therefore he supports totalitarianism. Wrong. You could have just as easily said: he supports socialism, therefore he supports democratic socialism, such as in France, Norway, or other nations whose systems he has expressed a liking for.
You didn't do that. You created a logical fallacy, failed to provide a fact to back your assertion or belief, and are therefore even more guilty of Moore of propaganda.
To dislike him is one thing (and utterly fair) - to say he supports Hitler and Pol Pot is utterly useless hyperbole.
I like Moore's films, they're extremely well done. The propaganda point is kind of overblown... but mostly, comparing all propaganda to Nazi propaganda is dumb. The United States also produced propaganda... Dr. Seuss drew American propaganda in the early 1940s. You never hear somebody say: Michael Moore's films are propaganda. You know who else produced great propaganda? DR. SEUSS! Moore's best films examine an issue in an interesting manner and offer a heaping dose of pathos that sometimes simplifies aspects of the issue to the point where they are misrepresented. But in films like Roger and Me, it's done so for the purpose of being entertaining and not to be dishonest.
I think that's ridiculous. Do you really not understand the difference between socialism and fascism?
It's dumb to criticize someone for manipulating information - especially on this board where EVERYONE of us manipulate information for our political purposes.
The idiotic thing is that people here are threatening violence over free speech and comparing him to brutal dictators who have killed millions of people.
If douchebaggery over politics is the same as murder, then every tear Glenn Beck sheds kills at least 20,000,000 people.
And I've seen more threats of violence from people on this board than I've ever heard from Michael Moore. Thus, I wonder who is closer to a brutal dictator. Someone who exaggerates in his documentaries or someone who would threaten to kill someone because of their political beliefs?
You decide especially the next time you post images about shooting people or want to drown someone in a pool of crocodiles.
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And by the way, I hadn't voted until now. And I went positive (I would have chosen neutral) because I hold him in much higher esteem now compared the people on this board who threaten to kill those they disagree with.
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I do not deny the existence of war propaganda. This thread is not about American war propaganda during WW2. This is about propaganda TODAY. Unfortunately, we all acknowledge the propaganda of yesterday. Moore's propaganda is seen as almost absolute truth.
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Yes, I know very well the difference between socialism and fascism. Do you? Do you know how similar they are? Have you actually read anything in regards to Mussolini's economic policies? Do you know why Hitler and Stalin were so much alike? Do you know why the Nazi party contained (at various times) the words "worker's party" and "national SOCIALIST?" The differences between the totalitarian communist countries and the totalitarian fascist countries are quite limited in comparison to their similarities.
Well, I don't appreciate Limbaugh anymore than I appreciate Moore. I think both are somewhat conspiracy theorists. I have a larger problem with Moore because his entertainment leads to people making drastic mistakes at the voting booths. Limbaugh advances a chauvinistic form of radical capitalism while Moore advances the sacrifice of individual rights over collective control. As I said earlier: totalitarianism.
What is your overall opinion of Michael Moore, his work, and why?
Michael Moore is worse than Glenn Beck. I hold a negative view of Moore.
... Many of these western european countries have only recently shed their totalitarian systems.
Yes, I know very well the difference between socialism and fascism. Do you? Do you know how similar they are? Have you actually read anything in regards to Mussolini's economic policies? Do you know why Hitler and Stalin were so much alike? Do you know why the Nazi party contained (at various times) the words "worker's party" and "national SOCIALIST?" The differences between the totalitarian communist countries and the totalitarian fascist countries are quite limited in comparison to their similarities.
What is your overall opinion of Michael Moore, his work, and why?
Worse than Beck? How so?
From what I have seen from this website, it looks pretty legit.
MOOREWATCH - Watching Michael Moore's every move
I am not a fan of Mr. Moore
If anyone thinks his work is either a documentary or truthful, you have been duped.
Documentaries are investigative and do not purposefully intend to put something in a bad light.
They are meant to show what is, not what the creator wants it to be.
It's not really true that documentaries don't purposefully intend to put something in a bad light. Look at The Thin Blue Line by Errol Morris. It's a documentary that's meant to skewer the Texas justice system for wrongly convicting a man of a crime he didn't commit. It's regarded as one of the greatest documentaries ever made and actually resulted in the conviction being overturned.
Capturing the Friedmans is another example of a great documentary that attacks the justice system for wrongly convicting people accused of child molestation. The film argues that the facts are unclear and the son, who was sent to prison for ten years, was innocent of all charges. The reality of the situation is that the circumstances surrounding the case were not as clear cut in favor of the defendents as portrayed in the film. It's still great.
Whether or not documentarians have an obligation to be impartial is disputed, but one thing that's clear is that when they are impartial, they are less entertaining. You can't blame Moore for trying to make entertaining films, but your complaint about him insisting to portray the straight facts is a valid one.
I think he's a disgusting fat ass, America-hating, terrorist-coddling traitor whose 15 minutes are WAY over.
Which many would that be? And how long ago was "recently?"