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Teacher Salaries By State

Should teacher salaries in your state increase, decrease of stay the same?

  • They should be higher.

    Votes: 14 46.7%
  • They should be lower.

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • They should stay the same.

    Votes: 10 33.3%

  • Total voters
    30
Sorry, I don't buy it for a second. Jack Roeser, the website and organization director, has an agenda and has been in trouble before. The highest salary that the website lists is for a high school teacher who makes $600,000+ per year. I checked the Illinois Department of Education website. The highest salary listed is $127,000 by someone with a doctorate and 29 years of experience. I call bull**** on the website you posted.

Here is the Illinois Dept. of Education website for folks who want to look:
http://www.isbe.state.il.us/research/pdfs/teacher_salary_09-10.pdf

You are dead wrong to call bull****. That is information obtained for the entire state of illinois through FOIA. I know one of the teachers (I did not post her information on purpose.) That's what she makes -- my first post. This website lists every single teacher in the state of Illinois. I can only tell you that it's the truth. The way the Board of Education itself presents these numbers does not surprise me. This website posts names, school locations, number of years service - do you honestly believe this site, that's been around for years, could call out individuals and list incorrect salary information?

You just don't want to believe it.

Jack Roeser, the website and organization director, has an agenda and has been in trouble before.

You, of all people, should know that that is a poor argument. There's a name for it, I can't think of right now. Edit: Straw Man.

And this . . .

What can I do if there is an error in my record? The information on this website is provided by the Illinois Board of Education (ISBE). Their source for this information is the Teacher Service Record, compiled and submitted annually by local school districts.
If you find an error in your record, you should contact your local school district and request that your information be corrected. If your local school district is not helpful, contact Mr. Mark Hobneck, mhobneck@isbe.net, at the Illinois State Board of Education.
 
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Do you include that in your number when you tell people what your yearly salary is? It's manipulation, Harry.

Honestly, I usually don't think about it when I do talk about.
That's mainly because I don't ever use my health insurance though. :3oops:
I should, damn it.
I've had it for 3 years and only used it to get some vaccinations once.
Have never used my dental either and I get 2 free cleanings a year. :doh
 
More information. If you click the names of the people that are listed in the top 200, pretty much none of them are teachers. They are mostly District Superintendents or some sort of Administrators. This is one example of the site presenting misinformation in an attempt to claim that teachers are being paid more than they are,

Captain, the information I posted was not from the top 200. Most of those are admins, as you point out. The couple I posted here are teachers only -- as their information clearly shows.

You've got a bee in your bonnet. I'm very well informed on this subject. This is a credible website. I don't know how the Board of Education distorts their reports, but why would you be surprised that they do? This is a hot topic in Illinois. These are real people, first/last names/name of school/length of service. There is absolutely NO WAY this site would be up and running if this data was false.
 
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Someone should contact the state board of education and tell them about this typo. That's crazy.

I think it's fine for the site to have administrators' salaries. We should know that too.
 
You are dead wrong to call bull****. That is information obtained for the entire state of illinois through FOIA. I know one of the teachers (I did not post her information on purpose.) That's what she makes -- my first post. This website lists every single teacher in the state of Illinois. I can only tell you that it's the truth. The way the Board of Education itself presents these numbers does not surprise me. This website posts names, school locations, number of years service - do you honestly believe this site, that's been around for years, could call out individuals and list incorrect salary information?

You just don't want to believe it.

Yeah, I believe that the website could post misinformation. I already showed that it did. On it's front page it states, "FTF's salary database contains public K-12 educator salaries for the entire state of Illinois." When you click that link and check the top 200 salaries, you do NOT get K-12 educators. You get mostly District Superintendents. That's manipulative misinformation. I have no reason to doubt an official Department of Education website, but I do have reason to doubt one with an agenda, and one that I've already shown has presented misinformation. You WANT to believe the website you posted, even though I've already shown it's wrong. Comparing a Superintendent's salary to a teacher's is completely dishonest. Now, if you want to believe that dishonesty, that's on you.





You, of all people, should know that that is a poor argument. There's a name for it, I can't think of right now.

Probably something like guilt by association, but it's not always a fallacy. It goes towards credibility.

And this . . .

It's the teacher's job to correct their inaccuracies? The site I linked IS the ISBE. Their information is completely different than what the website you presented showed.
 
CC, it says right up at the top that the website has Teacher and Administrator Salaries. Admins are under the "educator" umbrella.
 
Captain, the information I posted was not from the top 200. Most of those are admins, as you point out. The couple I posted here are teachers only -- as their information clearly shows.

You've got a bee in your bonnet. I'm very well informed on this subject. This is a credible website. I don't know how the Board of Education distorts their reports, but why would you be surprised that they do? This is a hot topic in Illinois. These are real people, first/last names/name of school/length of service. There is absolutely NO WAY this site would be up and running if this data was false.

And I'm telling you what I know, as I am also very informed on the topic. I communicate with teachers constantly in my job, and am aware of what their salaries are. The indicators in the Department of Education website are inline with what I know. Those in the website that you presented are not. I bet Harry's right. Your website gives a monetary value to benefits, such as healthcare, dentalcare, vacation time, retirement benefits, and probably pro-rates the salaries from 9 months to 12 months. When any of us tell people what we make, we state the number... and don't include any of the things that I mentioned. The website is posting misinformation, but in such a way that it can probably get away with it.
 
CC, it says right up at the top that the website has Teacher and Administrator Salaries. Admins are under the "educator" umbrella.

It's dishonest to make this statement at the link, then: "FTF's salary database contains public K-12 educator salaries for the entire state of Illinois." It should state, "FTF's salary database contains public K-12 educator and administrator salaries for the entire state of Illinois."
 
I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, CC. :)
 
Yeah, I believe that the website could post misinformation. I already showed that it did. On it's front page it states, "FTF's salary database contains public K-12 educator salaries for the entire state of Illinois." When you click that link and check the top 200 salaries, you do NOT get K-12 educators. You get mostly District Superintendents. That's manipulative misinformation. I have no reason to doubt an official Department of Education website, but I do have reason to doubt one with an agenda, and one that I've already shown has presented misinformation. You WANT to believe the website you posted, even though I've already shown it's wrong. Comparing a Superintendent's salary to a teacher's is completely dishonest. Now, if you want to believe that dishonesty, that's on you.







Probably something like guilt by association, but it's not always a fallacy. It goes towards credibility.



It's the teacher's job to correct their inaccuracies? The site I linked IS the ISBE. Their information is completely different than what the website you presented showed.

Hellooooooooooo? Is anyone home? You disproved nothing. The top 200 staff aren't in grade schools. Is that so hard to fathom? High schools pay more. We have thousands and THOUSANDS of teachers in the state. Why is it a surprise that the top 200 would be high school teachers?

I just took another look at the Board of Education's report. Note bottom of page here: http://www.isbe.state.il.us/research/pdfs/teacher_salary_09-10.pdf -- Longevity pay is excluded.Teacher salaries I posted are for teachers with 30 years' service or close to it. BIG HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

And I just took another look at the link you've discounted. The heading for the top 200 says: Teacher & Administrator Salary Database. You absolutely disproved NOTHING.
 
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The top 200 are all administrators and directors except for the #1 position which I'm assuming is a typo.
 
It's dishonest to make this statement at the link, then: "FTF's salary database contains public K-12 educator salaries for the entire state of Illinois." It should state, "FTF's salary database contains public K-12 educator and administrator salaries for the entire state of Illinois."

It DOES say that. Teacher & Administrator Salary Database

Oh, here's one more post on the home page:
The teacher data presented here is taken from the Teacher Service Record and is provided by the Illinois State Board of Education (ISBE) pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act. THE TEACHER SERVICE RECORD IS THE SOLE SOURCE OF THIS DATA.

Bull**** my granny's britches.
 
And I'm telling you what I know, as I am also very informed on the topic. I communicate with teachers constantly in my job, and am aware of what their salaries are. The indicators in the Department of Education website are inline with what I know. Those in the website that you presented are not. I bet Harry's right. Your website gives a monetary value to benefits, such as healthcare, dentalcare, vacation time, retirement benefits, and probably pro-rates the salaries from 9 months to 12 months. When any of us tell people what we make, we state the number... and don't include any of the things that I mentioned. The website is posting misinformation, but in such a way that it can probably get away with it.

You have a hard time backing down when you're wrong, don't you?
 
CC should contact the IL Board of Education and complain about their data being wrong.
 
Captain, since I'm new here, I'll compromise with you.

I'm right. And you're wrong. See how easy that was??
 
Okay, just heard from an IL teacher friend. She says her salary listed is her contracted salary before any taxes, insurance, union dues, etc. are taken out. She doesn't take home that much money.
 
Mellie, I think I love you!! Thank you for being interested enough to do some detective work. Can I thank you twice????
 
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Hellooooooooooo? Is anyone home? You disproved nothing. The top 200 staff aren't in grade schools. Is that so hard to fathom? High schools pay more. We have thousands and THOUSANDS of teachers in the state. Why is it a surprise that the top 200 would be high school teachers?

What are you talking about? The top 200 are ADMINISTRATORS.

I just took another look at the Board of Education's report. Note bottom of page here: http://www.isbe.state.il.us/research/pdfs/teacher_salary_09-10.pdf -- Longevity pay is excluded.Teacher salaries I posted are for teachers with 30 years' service or close to it. BIG HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

I checked the longevity table. ONE teacher, who worked for 34 years with a doctorate has a salary of $169,000+, Everything else is in the range that I stated. If you look at the changes, the longevity increases are usually between $1000-$4000. That's not HUGE. I see nothing that discounts what I said. If you look at the fringe benefits table, I'd bet THAT'S where the FTF website gets it "additional" numbers.

And I just took another look at the link you've discounted. The heading for the top 200 says: Teacher & Administrator Salary Database. You absolutely disproved NOTHING.

That it does. Not on the front page, but on the data page. However, it also says this: "According to the ISBE, the annual salary data reported to them is the same as the "total creditable earnings" reported to the Teachers Retirement System. It includes, among other things, extra-duty pay (coaching, clubs, etc.), board-paid retirement contributions, vacation and sick day buyouts, bonuses, and other compensation that the Teachers Retirement System includes in total creditable earnings." When people discuss salaries, they discuss their gross pay. Vacation time, board-paid retirement contributions, and such are NOT included in that quote. Do you include what your vacation buyout would be worth when you identify your salary? I doubt it. It's not accurate, but it manipulates by assigning a value to things that are not normally quoted in one's salary. The figures you are quoting are bloated.
 
It DOES say that. Teacher & Administrator Salary Database

Oh, here's one more post on the home page:

Bull**** my granny's britches.

And in post #94, I showed how they bloated the data.
 
You have a hard time backing down when you're wrong, don't you?

No, I have a hard time backing off when I'm right. Which in this case, I am.
 
Captain, since I'm new here, I'll compromise with you.

I'm right. And you're wrong. See how easy that was??

Better compromise. I'm right, you're wrong, now go find another website that presents dishonest information, so we can do this again.

See how easy that was?
 
Okay, just heard from an IL teacher friend. She says her salary listed is her contracted salary before any taxes, insurance, union dues, etc. are taken out. She doesn't take home that much money.

Does she realize that what is quoted includes vacation buyouts and what the board adds into her retirement benefits? This is not salary.
 
See Mellie's post, Captain.

Link for your last paragraph, please.


Better compromise. I'm right, you're wrong, now go find another website that presents dishonest information, so we can do this again.

See how easy that was?

Sorry. Like mine better.
 
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