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Gay people are hardwired

Gay people are born/hardwired to be gay

  • I watched the videos, and I agree

    Votes: 6 18.2%

  • I didn't watch the videos, and I agree

    Votes: 13 39.4%

  • I watched the videos, and I disagree

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • I didn't watch the videos, and I disagree

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • I still don't know

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • Don't know, and further don't care

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • Other (there's always one ....)

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Total voters
    33
No gay gene has been found, and it has been looked for.

No proof has been offered of any intrinsic physiological difference, present at birth, that distinguishes gay from straight consistently.

Experts in the field are divided in their opinions on causes.

We have Orion, who is homosexual, rightfully noting that that any attempt to say "all gay people are gay because of this one cause" is to ignore a massive amount of individual variation, and to ignore that individuals have the capacity to choose or change in at least some cases. I agree. Pointing to any one thing and saying "this is the source of the gayness" is probably ridiculous.
 
Kali said:
Because I was attracted to both males and females from the time I was young.

Of course I cannot prove that all people are born bi-sexual which is why I made sure to say "I feel".. Just sharing "my" thoughts.
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Hmm, I was never attracted to ANYONE until I hit puberty...
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
Hmm, I was never attracted to ANYONE until I hit puberty...
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Really? I was attracted to boys in elementary school. In fact, the only thing I ever got in trouble for in school was passing an "I <heart> you" note to my 1st grade "boyfriend".
 
roguenuke said:
Really? I was attracted to boys in elementary school. In fact, the only thing I ever got in trouble for in school was passing an "I <heart> you" note to my 1st grade "boyfriend".
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I'm pretty sure that doesn't count. That's more of a thing where children want to be 'grown-up'.
 
Puppy love vs "Hey, little boy; want some candy?"
 
Orion said:
Children have sexuality, it's just underdeveloped.
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I'm pretty sure children aren't sexually attracted to eachother. Evolutionary there would be no reason for it and I certainly didn't experience it as a child. Sure, I could tell which kids looked more like tree stump than an actual human being but I don't consider that sexuality. If by underdeveloped you mean not yet present or noticed or acted upon, sure I'll agree with you.
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
I'm pretty sure children aren't sexually attracted to eachother. Evolutionary there would be no reason for it and I certainly didn't experience it as a child. Sure, I could tell which kids looked more like tree stump than an actual human being but I don't consider that sexuality. If by underdeveloped you mean not yet present or noticed or acted upon, sure I'll agree with you.
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It is common knowledge in the field of psychology that children have innate sexuality. We don't just go from having no sexuality to having fully adult sexual personalities simply due to puberty. Those behaviors are rooted in the human psyche from birth in our innate foundation; they just become more activated and amplified via puberty.

The way children act out those feelings often is mimmickery of adulthood and not serious, but the ground behaviors are definitely there.
 
Orion said:
The way children act out those feelings often is mimmickery of adulthood and not serious, but the ground behaviors are definitely there.
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Okay. I never knew kid who said he or she was gay as an elementary schooler. This is because they don't know. If anything they'll chase around the opposite sex because that is usually what they see. The field of psychology can say whatever it wants, the fact is there is no sexuality the way there is at an older age still remains. It's simillar to how and 8 year old girls chest may still be breasts because she is a girl, but they certainly aren't developed in anyway and they certainly don't lactate.

Why do I feel like we're arguing over semantics?
 
Voted Don't Know, Don't Care for 2 reasons:
  1. Hardwired doesn't seem to me to be any kind of scientific term. You have to use a more precise definition of what that means before one can engage in debating it.
  2. I'm not interested in why someone's sexual orientation is as it is, it just is. What causes heterosexuality? Dunno. It's only relevant to focus on the products of human evolution if you have an agenda for wanting to acquire that knowledge. For example, why aren't we interested in discovering why certain people have blue eyes and others green? Why doesn't anyone have orange eyes? Again, don't know, don't care.
 
Andalublue said:
  1. I'm not interested in why someone's sexual orientation is as it is, it just is. What causes heterosexuality? Dunno. It's only relevant to focus on the products of human evolution if you have an agenda for wanting to acquire that knowledge. For example, why aren't we interested in discovering why certain people have blue eyes and others green? Why doesn't anyone have orange eyes? Again, don't know, don't care.
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Kind of moving this thread off topic, but these are questions we do have the answers to.
 
Are there hate crimes based on eye color? Do people feel free to hate and beat down and deprive people of their rights because their eyes are green?
 
BDBoop said:
Are there hate crimes based on eye color? Do people feel free to hate and beat down and deprive people of their rights because their eyes are green?
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People will always find excuses for their hate crimes. Homosexuality just happens to be a current fave. Being Jewish and black used to be more popular things to hate about, before that being a witch or having mental illness. Discovering the reasons why people hate based on irrational prejudice seems like a more valid area for scientific investigation to me.
 
I like hetero sex. I think it's more prevalent because it's more erotic. You have a penis and a vagina that meet and the world is there's for a fleeting moment.:mrgreen:
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
I like hetero sex. I think it's more prevalent because it's more erotic. You have a penis and a vagina that meet and the world is there's for a fleeting moment.:mrgreen:
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You've obviously never seen any Pedro Almodovar movies.
 
Or Captain Jack Harkness and Ianto making out on Torchwood.

Hatuey said:
You've obviously never seen any Pedro Almodovar movies.
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Rightwingnutjob said:
Okay. I never knew kid who said he or she was gay as an elementary schooler.
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Now you are bringing up labels that people use to self-identity. I wasn't talking about that at all. All I'm saying is that children demonstrate undeveloped sexual behaviors, including attraction, at an early age. It's innocent and they don't think anything of it, but it definitely happens.

Rightwingnutjob said:
This is because they don't know. If anything they'll chase around the opposite sex because that is usually what they see.
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That's partly true, but there is also innate behavior at work.

Rightwingnutjob said:
The field of psychology can say whatever it wants, the fact is there is no sexuality the way there is at an older age still remains.
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I've already said that childhood sexuality is nothing like adulthood sexuality because it is highly undeveloped, but it exists nonetheless. Saying that children have no sexuality is wrong.

Rightwingnutjob said:
It's simillar to how and 8 year old girls chest may still be breasts because she is a girl, but they certainly aren't developed in anyway and they certainly don't lactate.
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This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Rightwingnutjob said:
Why do I feel like we're arguing over semantics?
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We're not. You just don't seem to want to accept what I'm saying.
 
BDBoop said:
Are there hate crimes based on eye color? Do people feel free to hate and beat down and deprive people of their rights because their eyes are green?
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As far as I'm concerned, the thought that one needs to "prove" that homosexuality is genetic only plays into the hands of the haters, because it implies that this argument is actually necessary to "prove" that it it isn't wrong, somehow. The real issue shouldn't be whether or not homosexuality is innate, but whether or not there is any valid reason against it, which, of course, there isn't from any sort of true moral perspective that evaluates human behavior based upon potential harmfulness to one another.
 
Gardener said:
As far as I'm concerned, the thought that one needs to "prove" that homosexuality is genetic only plays into the hands of the haters, because it implies that this argument is actually necessary to "prove" that it it isn't wrong, somehow. The real issue shouldn't be whether or not homosexuality is innate, but whether or not there is any valid reason against it, which, of course, there isn't from any sort of true moral perspective that evaluates human behavior based upon potential harmfulness to one another.
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True; it's not like religiosity isn't a "choice", yet we prohibit discriminating against people on the basis of their religion.
I'm not saying sexual orientation is a "choice"; clearly it's not. Nobody's is.
I'm just pointing out that even if it were, there is precedent for protecting people from being discriminated against for the choices they make... such as which religious denomination they choose to belong to.
 
Now you are bringing up labels that people use to self-identity. I wasn't talking about that at all. All I'm saying is that children demonstrate undeveloped sexual behaviors, including attraction, at an early age. It's innocent and they don't think anything of it, but it definitely happens.
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You clearly define sexual different than I do.

That's partly true, but there is also innate behavior at work.
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Innate behavior that isn't sexual.

I've already said that childhood sexuality is nothing like adulthood sexuality because it is highly undeveloped, but it exists nonetheless. Saying that children have no sexuality is wrong.
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I guess it depends on what you consider sexuality.

This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
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It's just a comparison that came to mind. I'm comparing a females chest to sexuality. You can choose to see the comparison or not to see it. Whether you agree or not is another story.
We're not. You just don't seem to want to accept what I'm saying.
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We are. I could say the same about you. We clearly don't agree on what sexuality is.
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
You clearly define sexual different than I do.



Innate behavior that isn't sexual.



I guess it depends on what you consider sexuality.



It's just a comparison that came to mind. I'm comparing a females chest to sexuality. You can choose to see the comparison or not to see it. Whether you agree or not is another story.

We are. I could say the same about you. We clearly don't agree on what sexuality is.
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Humans are sexual beings from birth onward.
This is not, to my knowledge, refuted in medical, psychiatric, or academic circles.
Sexuality is an innate component of the human makeup.
Children masturbate; children engage in secretive sex play with other children.
These behaviors are normal for children, despite the fact that adults discourage them, or at least don't actively condone them.
 
1069 said:
Children masturbate; children engage in secretive sex play with other children.
These behaviors are normal for children, despite the fact that adults discourage them, or at least don't actively condone them.
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WHAT?! This is NOT normal. Sure once children hit puberty I'm sure masturbation occurrs. Same with sex play. Unless a child has been abused in some way these are NOT usual behaviors. Are you just yanking my chain (pardon the pun)?
 
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