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Birther roll call

Are you a Birther?

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Rightwingnutjob said:
I honestly believe he is a citizen.

BUT...

I wouldn't put it past these certain 'legal authorities' with an agenda to help anyone into the government that they saw fit regardless of where they were born. He is right, that doesn't look like his original. It's something I could easily put together in photoshop. For those who don't believe he is a citizen, I'm not surprised they don't take this as proof.
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That's all I'm saying,... and (aparently) if you hold out that there is even the most remote possibility that Obummer was born in Kenya,... Just that it's possible,.... That makes you a birther?

**** that nonsense.
 
Ah birthers aka creative racist's.
 
Chuz Life said:
That's all I'm saying,... and (aparently) if you hold out that there is even the most remote possibility that Obummer was born in Kenya,... Just that it's possible,.... That makes you a birther?

**** that nonsense.
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There is absolutely no evidence that he was born in Kenya, absolutely none. I get a kick out of birthers who say he was born in Kenya. His mother is American. She was born and grew up in Kansas. We know she and President Obama's father were in Hawaii. Do we even know if she had ever been to Kenya? I mean, give me a break. If she had been to Kenya, surely that would be easy enough to discover. She would have an entry stamp on her passport from immigration upon entry. There would be a public record of her travel. I have yet to see any evidence of this whatsoever.

Now, Birthers, grow up and let's focus on the very legitimate problems and concerns we have with his policies and appointments.
 
ludahai said:
There is absolutely no evidence that he was born in Kenya, absolutely none. I get a kick out of birthers who say he was born in Kenya. His mother is American. She was born and grew up in Kansas. We know she and President Obama's father were in Hawaii. Do we even know if she had ever been to Kenya? I mean, give me a break. If she had been to Kenya, surely that would be easy enough to discover. She would have an entry stamp on her passport from immigration upon entry. There would be a public record of her travel. I have yet to see any evidence of this whatsoever.

Now, Birthers, grow up and let's focus on the very legitimate problems and concerns we have with his policies and appointments.
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Dude,... do some searches on YouTube,... I'm not going to bring you up on any of this as it's not my thing.

I have a very VERY limited suspicion that there is some credibility to the claims that I have viewed.

I also know that the Roberts court nor the House and Senate would do ANYTHING to bring the issue to any level of consideration for fear of inciting a civil war.

So in the end, I have little more than a demand that the Constitutional requirments be respected and adhered to, the candidates be fully vetted and the truth (be it good or bad) be known to all.
 
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Chuz Life said:
Dude,... do some searches on YouTube,... I'm not going to bring you up on any of this as it's not my thing.

I have a very VERY limited suspicion that there is some credibility to the claims that I have viewed.

I also know that the Roberts court nor the House and Senate would do ANYTHING to bring the issue to any level of consideration for fear of inciting a civil war.

So in the end, I have little more than a demand that the Constitutional requirments be respected and adhered to, the candidates be fully vetted and the truth (be it good or bad) be known to all.
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Good grief... Youtube??? The place where any kook and wacko can edit, cut and otherwise mangle videos to make fact look like lies and lies look like facts?

The Squealers of the world LOVE modern video editing technology...
 
ludahai said:
Good grief... Youtube??? The place where any kook and wacko can edit, cut and otherwise mangle videos to make fact look like lies and lies look like facts?

The Squealers of the world LOVE modern video editing technology...
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Unless you are categorically lumping all the videos on YouTube together as fraud,... You have to admit some facts are being presented.

You're not (lumping them all together), are you?
 
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Chuz Life said:
Unless you are categorically lumping all the videos on YouTube together as fraud,... You have to admit some facts are being presented.

You're not (lumping them all together), are you?
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Not lumping them all together, but you have to admit, there is an awful lot of garbage on YouTube. I did see one comment by Michelle Obama, but it was clearly a poor choice of words when you look at the context.
 
Redress said:
I am not arguing Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. Since he won the election, to define him as other than, some one has to present to the courts a compelling argument, which has not happened yet. In other words, since Obama is the president, the burden of proof is on the nuts trying to claim he cannot be president. Of course, since all the judges are in on the conspiracy, the nuts have no chance and the good guys win...YAY!
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I said nothing about arguing. I simply asked people to define the term. It seems people are quite scared to do so.
Let’s keep your poisoned well out of this.
It’s simple, define the term.
 
I will make it clear. At this point we are not arguing any points!
If you want to play, define the term (Natural Born Citizen) and support it with references.
 
Wow.. 11 bloggers on here believe he isn't American. lmao. Twenty percent of respondents .. are falling for the most lame outrageous right wing lunacy out there.. and this isn't even a good lie. It really goes to shows that the republicans/libertarians are going to the dumpster of dumpsters for bull**** to promote their political agenda. American politics on the right have really gone down the tube.
 
ludahai said:
There is absolutely no evidence that he was born in Kenya, absolutely none. I get a kick out of birthers who say he was born in Kenya. His mother is American. She was born and grew up in Kansas. We know she and President Obama's father were in Hawaii. Do we even know if she had ever been to Kenya? I mean, give me a break. If she had been to Kenya, surely that would be easy enough to discover. She would have an entry stamp on her passport from immigration upon entry. There would be a public record of her travel. I have yet to see any evidence of this whatsoever.

Now, Birthers, grow up and let's focus on the very legitimate problems and concerns we have with his policies and appointments.
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No evidence?.... None?

Page 126, Dreams of my father.

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Kenyan National Assembly, March 25th, 2010, page 31

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Member of the Kenyan Assembly on March 25th, 2010, admits that Obama was born in Kenya.

Michelle Obama 2008 speech...



Kenyan Ambassador admits Obama born in Kenya.



Seems there might be a little tiny bit of doubt about your assertion that there isn't any evidence he was born in Kenya…. Of course he could clear all of this up by releasing all of the records he has gone to such great lengths to hide. :2wave:

BTW..... I really don't care where he was born..... read my sig.
 
Crunch said:
No evidence?.... None?

Page 126, Dreams of my father.

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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1lGFYYNkw.../!!dreamsfrommyfather-pg126-returntokenya.jpg

Kenyan National Assembly, March 25th, 2010, page 31

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Member of the Kenyan Assembly on March 25th, 2010, admits that Obama was born in Kenya.

Michelle Obama 2008 speech...



Kenyan Ambassador admits Obama born in Kenya.



Seems there might be a little tiny bit of doubt about your assertion that there isn't any evidence he was born in Kenya…. Of course he could clear all of this up by releasing all of the records he has gone to such great lengths to hide. :2wave:

BTW..... I really don't care where he was born..... read my sig.
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Blogs and Youtube videos. Lolz. One of your picture says the three us would return to Kenya after he was worn. But then your other links claim he was born in Kenya. Contradicting yourself much?
 
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peepnklown said:
I will make it clear. At this point we are not arguing any points!
If you want to play, define the term (Natural Born Citizen) and support it with references.
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The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); 123
Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says, 'the citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 12 US 253 The Venus Rae Master | OpenJurist

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel);

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel);

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
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FindLaw | Cases and Codes

Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel);

United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel);

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” );
 
Your Star said:
So people still would have made up this crazy claim if he wasn't a black man, with a funny sounding name, with roots from Kenya?
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Yes. His policy is abhorred by the right. Even if he was white they would try to get him out. People blamed Bush for planning 9/11. Sexual innuendo's aside, his name isn't "funny sounding." He is white. The left smeared him. It's not about race, it's about not wanting him in office.
 
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Gabriel said:
It really goes to shows that the republicans/libertarians are going to the dumpster of dumpsters for bull**** to promote their political agenda. American politics on the right have really gone down the tube.
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Yeah, remember the conspiracy theories about Bush planning the world trade center bombing? It's not just the right that comes up with absurd conspiracy theories. It comes from both sides and isn't representitive of the majority on either side. Your head is apparently, "down the tube," along with American politics.
 
Rightwingnutjob said:
Yeah, remember the conspiracy theories about Bush planning the world trade center bombing? It's not just the right that comes up with absurd conspiracy theories. It comes from both sides and isn't representitive of the majority on either side. Your head is apparently, "down the tube," along with American politics.
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Well in my terrible humble opinion the 9/11 "conspiracy theory" is still a viable theory. While this story regarding Obama's birth right, is complete trash from the gutter. I don't blame bush for 9/11 .. err not explicitly. I actually think he was just a dupe puppet of the vice president and the pentagon. I wouldn't draw moral equivalency between these arguments. No not ever.

This is still a very good argument. It's not been refuted in full, it certainly can’t be, given the overwhelming empirical data supporting it. Just because it is an old story these days it doesn't mean that it has gone away.

 
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No, truthers are just as wrong as birthers.
 
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