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Is Taxation Slavery?

Is Taxation Slavery?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 16.7%
  • No

    Votes: 53 73.6%
  • Other (Explain)

    Votes: 7 9.7%

  • Total voters
    72
sure you would. then I would have you arrested for assault and have some of the boys in the local pen teach you about domestic tranquility

Well you certainly don't have intellectual discourse to depend on.
 
Well you certainly don't have intellectual discourse to depend on.

yeah, hating someone you have never met and wanting to spit on them is sure proof of a Harvard MBA or a Cal Tech MS. Does Mensa give extra credit for that? Speaking of intellect, I am not the one howling that others should be forced to support me or that I need the government to take care of me.
 
yeah, hating someone you have never met and wanting to spit on them is sure proof of a Harvard MBA or a Cal Tech MS. Does Mensa give extra credit for that? Speaking of intellect, I am not the one howling that others should be forced to support me or that I need the government to take care of me.

One doesn't need an MBA or some other degree to understand they wouldn't like someone from what they say.
 
One doesn't need an MBA or some other degree to understand they wouldn't like someone from what they say.

It would be a boring life to associate only with people who think or feel exactly as I do. In your case it would be a hell on earth to surround yourself with a whole flock of like minded "thinkers"

but tell me loathing one-why do I have a duty to pay for your share of what you use?
 
It would be a boring life to associate only with people who think or feel exactly as I do. In your case it would be a hell on earth to surround yourself with a whole flock of like minded "thinkers"

but tell me loathing one-why do I have a duty to pay for your share of what you use?

Don't flatter yourself with an adjective like "thinker".
 
Don't flatter yourself with an adjective like "thinker".

No need to-your hatred is all the pedigree I need.

still waiting for an answer--
 
true you could really be a hard working payer of massive taxes who just pretends to support politicians pandering to those who think others owe them support. You might really be Karl Rove posting liberal blathering in order to make dems look bad.

anything is possible on a message board I suppose

Like Bill Gates, Paul Allen and Warren Buffet?
 
No need to-your hatred is all the pedigree I need.

still waiting for an answer--

There is little good to be said from anyone who exists to serve their self interests exclusively. Generally known to be greedy and spiteful of all around them. Looking down their noses as though they could never have ended up in such petty existence as so many who surround them. They create a false sense of purpose with this sentiment and moral judgements on others. It is a system where by you consider yourself better then someone while you live. In the end though your just more carbon to be recycled.

However.......


Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on Census results. This amendment exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements regarding direct taxes, after income taxes on rents, dividends, and interest were ruled to be direct taxes in Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. (1895).
 
One doesn't need an MBA or some other degree to understand they wouldn't like someone from what they say.

This is becoming rather childish.......Its a sign of maturity that men get along, even like each other despite completely opposing philosophys..
As to being independent, thats great when all is well, but what happens if cancer strikes, or you live in Detroit or New Orleans???
Man was made to be a social creature, a socialist if you will. And as he matures and grows, he will be more socialistic.
Europe, even Canada are decades ahead of us...
Taxes, from my social security and pension I still pay over $1,000 annually in school and local taxes. Our tax system works well, many of our wealthy may not like it, but then, Ebenezer Scrooge did not like very much either..
 
Like Bill Gates, Paul Allen and Warren Buffet?

the uber rich like high taxes since it kills off those aspiring to be ultra wealthy. It also frees up property that normally would remain in the same family's hands for generations. They can afford that tax and they ingratiate themselves to the masses with such self serving BS.

one of the things libs and welfare socialists do is to confuse the wealthy with the uber rich and assume they are the same and thus try to treat them the same. taking half of a 2-10 million dollar estate is gonna permanently diminish that estate unless the heir lives a very long time and is lucky. the death confiscation tax hitting an estate of 10 billion is not going to change the lifestyle of the heir at all and it will regenerate itself in his normal lifespan
 
There is little good to be said from anyone who exists to serve their self interests exclusively. Generally known to be greedy and spiteful of all around them. Looking down their noses as though they could never have ended up in such petty existence as so many who surround them. They create a false sense of purpose with this sentiment and moral judgements on others. It is a system where by you consider yourself better then someone while you live. In the end though your just more carbon to be recycled.

However.......


Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

more nonsense--you confuse supporting welfare socialism with being generous. Of course many like you think by supporting tax hikes you have no other duty to help your fellow man

the sixteenth and seventeenth amendments started the decline of America and the balance of power between the states and the federal government.
 
the uber rich like high taxes since it kills off those aspiring to be ultra wealthy. It also frees up property that normally would remain in the same family's hands for generations. They can afford that tax and they ingratiate themselves to the masses with such self serving BS.

So the uber rich are in a conspiracy with the government to squash all new commers? Excuse me I need to step out, fall over and laugh my guts out.

one of the things libs and welfare socialists do is to confuse the wealthy with the uber rich and assume they are the same and thus try to treat them the same. taking half of a 2-10 million dollar estate is gonna permanently diminish that estate unless the heir lives a very long time and is lucky.

Who the hell lets their estate larger then the exemption get taxed in that range? Hello? Ever heard of trusts? Spousal exemptions? For some reason, you think the rich are soooooo stupid they can't plan to reduce taxes despite them being the very people who pay big bucks to ensure minimal taxation. A $10 million estate can easily be reduced to minimal estate taxation if any through proper planning. The harder estate are those past $50 million into triple digit millions.

the death confiscation tax hitting an estate of 10 billion is not going to change the lifestyle of the heir at all and it will regenerate itself in his normal lifespan

Fair enough. But you harping on the relatively small taxable estates suggests your friends are bloody idiots when it comes to estate planning.
 
So the uber rich are in a conspiracy with the government to squash all new commers? Excuse me I need to step out, fall over and laugh my guts out.



Who the hell lets their estate larger then the exemption get taxed in that range? Hello? Ever heard of trusts? Spousal exemptions? For some reason, you think the rich are soooooo stupid they can't plan to reduce taxes despite them being the very people who pay big bucks to ensure minimal taxation. A $10 million estate can easily be reduced to minimal estate taxation if any through proper planning. The harder estate are those past $50 million into triple digit millions.



Fair enough. But you harping on the relatively small taxable estates suggests your friends are bloody idiots when it comes to estate planning.

the people hurt are those whose land has increased since their father bought it and these people don't have that sort of sophistication

tell me why should people have to spend thousands of dollars on trusts and legal advice and other actions there should be no tax on estates.

I am glad the dems want to stick it to the unsophisticated heirs while allowing the Kennedys to keep their estates in tact

and if you are so stupid as to believe that Buffett or gates are doing anything altruistic rather than to gain public support I'd suggest you get an education rather quickly.

tell me why those two fans of big estate taxes plan on avoiding the tax altogether
 
the people hurt are those whose land has increased since their father bought it and these people don't have that sort of sophistication

Uh, there are people in law and accounting who can help them. Failure to get help is no excuse. Furthermore, they could easily do a land conservation donation and eliminate taxes. That's what it's designed for. Bush got Congress to enact a series of overly generous land conservation donations to help out some of his big donators. Your friends could have easily done that and still maintained use of the land.

tell me why should people have to spend thousands of dollars on trusts and legal advice and other actions there should be no tax on estates.

I dunno, because I hate the snobbery of trust fund babies? Estate taxation serves as an incentive to do something good with the money.

and if you are so stupid as to believe that Buffett or gates are doing anything altruistic rather than to gain public support I'd suggest you get an education rather quickly.

I don't care why they are doing it. But they are doing it.

tell me why those two fans of big estate taxes plan on avoiding the tax altogether

So you do believe in a conspiracy?
 
you have me confused with someone who cares who you loathes. You leave me alone and I will not think ill will of you. Demand that I pay your way, I will despise you. I cost you nothing and demand nothing of you. I merely ask the same in return

I am sure you would demand a fair system of cooperation. Actually I think that is what you are arguing for. Strange, since that is exactly how I would justify a progressive tax system.
 
I am sure you would demand a fair system of cooperation. Actually I think that is what you are arguing for. Strange, since that is exactly how I would justify a progressive tax system.

you really cannot justify a progressive tax system unless you operate under the delusion that the government owns all the wealth or that the rich really use government services at a thousand or more times the level of the average voter.

but try your best-I will read your answer in the morning
 
This is becoming rather childish.......Its a sign of maturity that men get along, even like each other despite completely opposing philosophys..
As to being independent, thats great when all is well, but what happens if cancer strikes, or you live in Detroit or New Orleans???
Man was made to be a social creature, a socialist if you will. And as he matures and grows, he will be more socialistic.
Europe, even Canada are decades ahead of us...
Taxes, from my social security and pension I still pay over $1,000 annually in school and local taxes. Our tax system works well, many of our wealthy may not like it, but then, Ebenezer Scrooge did not like very much either..

I was hoping you could clarify some of your assertions in the quote: Europe and Canada are ahead of the U.S. in what? What do you mean by "Man was made to be a social creature"?
 
I'm a Constitutionalist and have said so many times. Being a Constitutionalist means that I don't follow the libertarian ideals of anarchism, but follow the ideals of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of my state of residence. I believe that there should be a government because James Madison said it best, "If men were angels there would be no need for government."

In bold. Excellent quote. This DOES separate you from the more extreme and anarchy minded libertarians.
 
In bold. Excellent quote. This DOES separate you from the more extreme and anarchy minded libertarians.

Why thank you for the compliment. :) James Madison, Patrick Henry,Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson are my favorite founding fathers and firmly believe in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights. I have no faith in politicians and career bureaucrats.
 
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Why thank you for the compliment. :) James Madison, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Jefferson are my founding fathers and firmly believe in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights. I have no faith in politicians and career beaurucrats.

Of the founders, I usually adhere to the positions of Hamilton, Madison, John Adams, and Franklin. Probably closest to Hamilton. Not everything each of them stood for, but a nice mix.

And I too have no faith in career politicians.
 
Of the founders, I usually adhere to the positions of Hamilton, Madison, John Adams, and Franklin. Probably closest to Hamilton. Not everything each of them stood for, but a nice mix.

And I too have no faith in career politicians.

I ignore Hamilton and Adams because I disagree with their political philosophy at the core level. Franklin had some really good ideas and was a moderate between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists. He really tried his best to mediate between the monarcists and the federalists at the Philadelphia Convention, which I really liked. His contributions as a diplomat are worth the kudos alone.
 
I ignore Hamilton and Adams because I disagree with their political philosophy at the core level. Franklin had some really good ideas and was a moderate between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists. He really tried his best to mediate between the monarcists and the federalists at the Philadelphia Convention, which I really liked. His contributions as a diplomat are worth the kudos alone.

The reason that you ignore Hamilton and Adams is why I ignore Henry and pay little attention to Jefferson. Just our differences in political philosophy I suppose. And I wholeheartedly agree with you about Franklin. Possibly our greatest diplomat and a supreme mediator between opposing factions, because he never held a Cabinet Post, his importance is often forgotten. I especially liked his equalitarian ideals on religion and his thoughts on morality, philosophy, and the human condition.
 
The reason that you ignore Hamilton and Adams is why I ignore Henry and pay little attention to Jefferson. Just our differences in political philosophy I suppose. And I wholeheartedly agree with you about Franklin. Possibly our greatest diplomat and a supreme mediator between opposing factions, because he never held a Cabinet Post, his importance is often forgotten. I especially liked his equalitarian ideals on religion and his thoughts on morality, philosophy, and the human condition.

I wouldn't say that his importance is forgotten due to never having a cabinet post. I would say that his other contributions overshadowed his diplomacy. Contributions like the discovery of electricity, founder of the first public library, founder of the post office, driving force behind early inventions in the colonies, and his inventions plus his publications all overshadow what he did as a mediator and diplomat. Although, the one point of ridicule he always gets is his choice for the national bird being the turkey. I do agree with him that the turkey is one of the most noblist and prettiest of birds while the eagle is nothing more than a pretty looking scavanger.
 
I wouldn't say that his importance is forgotten due to never having a cabinet post. I would say that his other contributions overshadowed his diplomacy. Contributions like the discovery of electricity, founder of the first public library, founder of the post office, driving force behind early inventions in the colonies, and his inventions plus his publications all overshadow what he did as a mediator and diplomat. Although, the one point of ridicule he always gets is his choice for the national bird being the turkey. I do agree with him that the turkey is one of the most noblist and prettiest of birds while the eagle is nothing more than a pretty looking scavanger.

Good point. His importance as a political figure is overshadowed by his importance as an inventor and innovator.

And don't talk to me about turkeys. I have a small society of wild turkeys that live in my backyard and gobble real early in the morning waking me up.
 
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