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Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

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Blackdog said:
I agree with this statement.

I did not agree with part of your statement making it sound like anyone who is religious is crazy in the initial post.
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Well crazy is certainly a stretch but you have to wonder why relatively intelligent people would want to do that. Which begs to ask a question about socialisation and how these ideas are propagated.
 
So long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, I don't give a **** what they self-identify as. Can "radical" Muslims be good for America? Why not? What's "radical"? We have people who are self professed "radical Christians" and yet they don't really seem to do anything too egregious, and some may even consider them useful. So why not the other way around. The only requirement is that they do not infringe upon the rights of others, so long as they do that they can do whatever the **** they want.
 
Gabriel said:
lol, well the difference is that they try to organise society around their favourite deity .. which is typically something they were taught as children to believe as if it was real.. kind of like santa clause. :)
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As long as the society is organized well, organizing it around a deity does not make it a bad society.
 
The Mark said:
As long as the society is organized well, organizing it around a deity does not make it a bad society.
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Possibly. But it wouldn't make it America either.
 
Gabriel said:
lol, well the difference is that they try to organise society around their favourite deity .. which is typically something they were taught as children to believe as if it was real.. kind of like santa clause. :)
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I am an atheist. I don't care if they worship Santa as long as they are not bugging me about it.
 
Magill said:
I am an atheist. I don't care if they worship Santa as long as they are not bugging me about it.
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Damned skippy. In the end, I don't even care if people call the US a "Christian nation" so long as it is a free nation.
 
What is a radical? I consider anybody who spends their life believing in fairy tales from books to be a radical. Same goes for people who proudly state they are against 'anything' from another ideology. Or are we only discussing 'radical Muslims'?
 
Ikari said:
Damned skippy. In the end, I don't even care if people call the US a "Christian nation" so long as it is a free nation.
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Well if they mean that the majority of people are Christians (and even on some level cultural Christians) they would be right.
In the legal sense I do not think it is a Christian nation though.
 
Hatuey said:
What is a radical? I consider anybody who spends their life believing in fairy tales from books to be a radical. Same goes for people who proudly state they are against 'anything' from another ideology. Or are we only discussing 'radical Muslims'?
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Like atheists who militantly and vehemently state they are against 'anything' from another ideology?

There is radicalism among atheists too. Radicalism isn't a problem only theists have.
 
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digsbe said:
Like atheists who militantly and vehemently state they are against 'anything' from another ideology?
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Such as? Can you show us an atheist who's done such thing? I'll wait.

There is radicalism among atheists too. Radicalism isn't a problem only theists have.
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Theists are definetely a lot more explosive in their radicalism, do you disagree?
 
digsbe said:
Like atheists who militantly and vehemently state they are against 'anything' from another ideology?

There is radicalism among atheists too. Radicalism isn't a problem only theists have.
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As long as anyone does not force others to follow their beliefs then anyone can be a good American provided they follow reasonable laws and regulations
 
How can anyone who takes delight in the death of Americans be a good one?
 
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Mellie said:
The defined themselves to all of us on 9/11/2001.
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Those people were radical. But on the flip side, some people like to assert that all Muslims are radical.
 
Magill said:
Those people were radical. But on the flip side, some people like to assert that all Muslims are radical.
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Well, it's up to you to decide what "radical" means and answer the question. I don't believe all Muslims are radical. Only the ones who want to murder anyone who isn't a Muslim.
 
Navy Pride said:
This question begs to be asked....
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If being a good American means accepting of all our constitutional rights and values then I say no.
 
I would say that extremist, radical or any kind of fanatical behaviour would not make a good American or good anything... And that goes for any and all other religious belief as well who lean toward extremism !!
 
Mellie said:
Well, it's up to you to decide what "radical" means and answer the question. I don't believe all Muslims are radical. Only the ones who want to murder anyone who isn't a Muslim.
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One of the beliefs some (all?) of those you describe hold is that everyone should die or become Muslims.

If someone believed instead that everyone should become a Muslim, but killing those who did not was going to far...would they still be radical enough for you to consider them "bad americans"?
 
Mellie said:
They defined themselves to all of us on 9/11/2001.
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I remember that day well. I also recalled when I was going to university(1995) in my anthropology classes watching some documentaries on Islam in the middle east. I thought then (when in university)" something will come out of all this and it will be bad. " When I first saw the video of the planes crashing into the buildings I thought "oh another movie clip" but then I realized I was watching streaming live video from a news cast. I couldn't believe it. Everyone just stopped working.. people went home in the middle of the day. It truly was a terrible thing to see.. for real.
 
The Mark said:
If someone believed instead that everyone should become a Muslim, but killing those who did not was going to far...would they still be radical enough for you to consider them "bad americans"?
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If they just thought everyone should be Muslim but didn't try to force anyone through threats or torture or murder, that would be fine. Most Christians I know would like everyone to be Christian because they believe it's the right way.
 
digsbe said:
Like atheists who militantly and vehemently state they are against 'anything' from another ideology?

There is radicalism among atheists too. Radicalism isn't a problem only theists have.
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Non belief that is founded on empirical data is not ideological. It's like saying.. if you don't believe 1+1=3 your some kind of insane ideologue.
 
Gabriel said:
I remember that day well. I also recalled when I was going to university(1995) in my anthropology classes watching some documentaries on Islam in the middle east. I thought then (when in university)" something will come out of all this and it will be bad. " When I first saw the video of the planes crashing into the buildings I thought "oh another movie clip" but then I realized I was watching streaming live video from a news cast. I couldn't believe it. Everyone just stopped working.. people went home in the middle of the day. It truly was a terrible thing to see.. for real.
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I was in college at chapel that morning. Before it all started I heard someone talking about planes flying into towers and I thought they were talking about a movie. Not until the President of my college got up and told us all what happened did I realize....classes were cancelled. Everyone was gathered around the common TV just staring....barely any speaking...just watching the news in horror.
 
Mellie said:
I was in college at chapel that morning. Before it all started I heard someone talking about planes flying into towers and I thought they were talking about a movie. Not until the President of my college got up and told us all what happened did I realize....classes were cancelled. Everyone was gathered around the common TV just staring....barely any speaking...just watching the news in horror.
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It is ironic we both thought "movie".
 
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